Assange to face extradition

[Pickman's model]

This has stopped being a discussion and has turned into a pillowfight where the pillowcases are stuffed with strawberry frappe.

you do know my post was to lock&light, don't you?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

you do know my post was to lock&light, don't you?

Yep; and my comment was to you.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yep; and my comment was to you.

i gathered that, but it did not indicate in which way/s lock&light felt his comment was constructive. do you know what he thinks about his comment, or has he not yet shared that with you?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

i gathered that, but it did not indicate in which way/s lock&light felt his comment was constructive. do you know what he thinks about his comment, or has he not yet shared that with you?

I got distracted for a moment. I was on flickr, reading about people with different problems than the drama of Julian Assange.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnade/

 

[butchersapron]

CIA rendition flights stopped by Swedish military

An acute diplomatic crisis broke out between the United States and Sweden in 2006 when Swedish authorities put a stop to CIA rendition flights, according to the latest revelation from Wikileaks.

 

[cesare]

Wasn't that after the big kerfuffle over the Egyptian renditions, where the Swedes had to pay a load of guilt/compensation money to the individuals lifted?

 

[butchersapron]

Yep, the 2001 ones. Then wikileaks REVEALED TO THE WORLD the good example that Sweden (tool of the US again today) set the world.

 

[cesare]

Yep, the 2001 ones. Then wikileaks REVEALED TO THE WORLD the good example that Sweden (tool of the US again today) set the world.

Aye. They got turned over once (arguably once at least) and set about just trying to make sure it never happened again. They don't like being criticised, and they don't like being embarrassed. Edit, and they don't like being the centre of attention.

 

[belboid]

CIA rendition flights stopped by Swedish military

just before the election which returned the right-wing coalition then??

 

[cesare]

The New Statesman has just published David Allen Green's latest legal debunking: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/media/2012/09/legal-mythology-extradition-julian-assange

WikiLeaks swiftly blocked David Allen Green on Twitter as a response.

 

[TruXta]

This has gone through embarassment into tragedy and straight back into comedy.

 

[butchersapron]

The New Statesman has just published David Allen Green's latest legal debunking: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/media/2012/09/legal-mythology-extradition-julian-assange

WikiLeaks swiftly blocked David Allen Green on Twitter as a response.

And it's all gone quiet. Unless there are responses by serious players that i've missed?

 

[butchersapron]

I know that read the comments type posts are not particularly useful or helpful, but fucking hell, read the comments.

 

[elbows]

I know that read the comments type posts are not particularly useful or helpful, but fucking hell, read the comments.

Argh! Skimming one page of them was all I could manage. Mind you its always more fun when the author is prepared to chip in.

Ho hum, same old crap from the same old crap. What won't you do for money Dave?

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Act for Mr Assange.

 

[TruXta]

At this stage I don't care anymore if Assange is guilty or not, I just want him to do some time, and get his ugly mug out of the papers. It's not like Swedish prisons are pits of despair and filth anyway.

 

[Random]

At this stage I don't care anymore if Assange is guilty or not, I just want him to do some time, and get his ugly mug out of the papers. It's not like Swedish prisons are pits of despair and filth anyway.

They're probably more comfortable than his current domicile. And the water here tastes better than in London.

 

[TruXta]

They're probably more comfortable than his current domicile. And the water here tastes better than in London.

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

 

[Random]

Chomsky's right, though, in a recent Alternet article, that if Assange was an Iranian dissident fearing extradition to Russia, that someone prominent in the Swedish government would have said publically that he'd not be extradited.

 

[TruXta]

If Assange had had any balls at all he'd have gone to Sweden, faced the charges and challenged the US to request his extradition. As it is he's just another narcissistic self-publicist with a bad case of rapey rapey.

 

[butchersapron]

Chomsky's right, though, in a recent Alternet article, that if Assange was an Iranian dissident fearing extradition to Russia, that someone prominent in the Swedish government would have said publically that he'd not be extradited.

They have - at least to the extent that they can. I.e he has a constitutional guarantee not to be extradited for espionage or to states where there is the death penalty for the alleged charges, that international law means that they can't say such a thing - and it's not the states job or position to do so (i'd love to see the argument from the left for such executive power) Won't someone read the links.

 

[laptop]

Chomsky's right, though, in a recent Alternet article, that if Assange was an Iranian dissident fearing extradition to Russia, that someone prominent in the Swedish government would have said publically that he'd not be extradited.

Ooooh, can we play counterfactuals?


What if he were a Finnish dissident facing extradition to Belgium?

 

[Random]

They have - at least to the extent that they can. I.e he has a constitutional guarantee not to be extradited for espionage or to states where there is the death penalty for the alleged charges, that international law means that they can't say such a thing - and it's not the states job or position to do so (i'd love to see the argument from the left for such executive power) Won't someone read the links.

There's nothing stopping a government figure speaking out, or underlining an existing legal fact.

 

[butchersapron]

There's nothing stopping a government figure speaking out, or underlining an existing legal fact.

They have - at least to the extent that they can. What do you/he want - someone who has no authority to do something saying that they'll do something? And the consequent undermining of the legal system to the benefit of the executive this would entail? What is the point here?

 

[cesare]

I know that read the comments type posts are not particularly useful or helpful, but fucking hell, read the comments.

They're just, well, eek.

There's been a barrage on twitter since it was published but nothing of any note that I've noticed.

 

[Random]

They have - at least to the extent that they can. What do you/he want - someone who has no authority to do something saying that they'll do something? And the consequent undermining of the legal system to the benefit of the executive this would entail? What is the point here?

The point is that they would probably do just that if he was an Iranian. The Swedish government is not without authority in this matter.

edit: I don't "want" them to do anything. It's just worth pointing out the fact that they're deliberately making things easier for Assange to raise the spectre of US deportation.

 

[butchersapron]

The point is that they would probably do just that if he was an Iranian. The Swedish government is not without authority in this matter.

They have - at least to the extent that they can. What else do you want? Those other grandstanding statements could only be based on the legal position - they they legally can't extradite someone to certain places. The exact same as with this case - as has been pointed out many times now. They have said the same as they would with these other hypothetical cases.

 

[elbows]

The point is that they would probably do just that if he was an Iranian. The Swedish government is not without authority in this matter.

Probably?

Is there actual history to use as a guide here?

 

[Random]

Probably?

Is there actual history to use as a guide here?

None that I know of

 

[Random]

They have - at least to the extent that they can. What else do you want? Those other grandstanding statements could only be based on the legal position - they they legally can't extradite someone to certain places. The exact same as with this case - as has been pointed out many times now. They have said the same as they would with these other hypothetical cases.

I've been living in Sweden all this time and tbh I've not noticed the Swedish government making the point that there's a clear legal position here.

 

[butchersapron]

Random, just a quick question, have you been following the discussion about what guarantees that the swedish state can give following the original david allen green (i almost wrote cole there) article and greenwalds response?