Art that people rave about that's actually shit.

[Miss Caphat]

It's not in the art world you'll find this tension it's on Internet forums.

(Though I experienced it occasionally at art school from some if my more mature, traditionally minded peers who resented "sheep shit" getting better grades than paintings )

there was one guy in my freshman year...he was actually really amusing, but he used to go on these rants about how all art these days was bs, and how surrealism was the only true art form left. I was like "mmm...okay....? "

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Dunno.

But it's a bit of a red herring anyway. Certain "styles" of digital art don't get the status that bubbles (and many vocal internet art forum posters) believe it deserves.

Not coincidently this style shares much with styles of painting that many of the same group equally complain about a lack of status for.

There's a temptation in some digital art towards romanticism. That kind of romanticism hasn't been in fashion in the art world for at least a century. I'm not suggesting that its all unicorns and rainbows, but just because you can doesn't mean you should.

(Flaming to commence in 5, 4, 3....)

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Also, it's funny to say that on the one hand the "art world" is so avant garde that they regard all kinds of unusual media as art, but somehow they're also very anti-digital? I feel like this is just more fantasizing by a frustrated amateur artist.

You might have a point. Often frustrated artists blame the system instead of their own failings.

However, I still maintain that there are some mediums that have more acceptance than others in galleries. Ask a gallery director about art quilts and see where that goes. Fabric gets very little respect as a medium despite the fact it can be used in ways much the same as traditional mediums.

 

[Miss Caphat]

You might have a point. Often frustrated artists blame the system instead of their own failings.

However, I still maintain that there are some mediums that have more acceptance than others in galleries. Ask a gallery director about art quilts and see where that goes. Fabric gets very little respect as a medium despite the fact it can be used in ways that appear much the same as traditional mediums.

Thing is they're often very large (quilts/ wall hangings)! I don't have much experience w/ that...we had some great fabric/ quilting artists in our community that got displayed a lot, but I think the community was probably more suited to that than others (New Englandy/ touristy, antique-y) so it worked there.
Fabric art is awesome though! Those were always some of my favorite shows while I was a student, and I loved to see what the textile dept. students were doing

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

I knew students who were literally turned away at art college who were ahead of the game with software programming and wanted to use their knowledge to produce art...this was years ago of course and it took off elsewhere since. ..but art colleges in Ireland interviewing for places at the time were not interested in the world of programming. It was outside their remit in their eyes ..
I guess I'm a bit old fashioned. I liked the idea that art and science ....were connected.
I look at The Turner art competition this year and wonder wtf a video of an anal sphincter tightening as it encounters a flower has to do with all the things art used to mean ...
It's not aesthetically pleasing...it's not something I personally view as innovative. .... and I'm sick of the "you don't understand conceptual art" line.

too bad there never was any depth, though. you can keep repeating the same thing over and over, doesn't change the fact that you're not coming across as anything more than an art troll, and you haven't for the whole thread

And youhave been personalising the thread and throwing accusations around...Something that was not needed.
Why not start your own thread on art?
And post some of your own work?

 

[chilango]

Why doesn't art like this win the Turner Prize?

 

[chilango]

Hmmmm? Well?

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

https://ndpr.nd.edu/news/23535-philosophy-and-conceptual-art/

A review by Robert Yanal of "Philosophy and Conceptual Art ", Goldie and Shellekens, (eds.).

This is a review of a book which outlines, discusses and debates a collection of essays that look at conceptualism in art .. many of these essays (papers) having been presented at a conference in King's College, London.

Worth a read...
Experts describe their understanding of the meaning and characteristics of conceptualism ...

 

[Pickman's model]

Why doesn't art like this win the Turner Prize?

tits win prizes

 

[Pickman's model]

https://ndpr.nd.edu/news/23535-philosophy-and-conceptual-art/

A review by Robert Yanal of "Philosophy and Conceptual Art ", Goldie and Shellekens, (eds.).

This is a review of a book which outlines, discusses and debates a collection of essays that look at conceptualism in art .. many of these essays (papers) having been presented at a conference in King's College, London.

Worth a read...
Experts describe their understanding of the meaning and characteristics of conceptualism ...

strand poly more famous for its collection of military archivesthan its art critics

 

[Pickman's model]

Why doesn't art like this win the Turner Prize?

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[wayward bob]

I knew students who were literally turned away at art college who were ahead of the game with software programming and wanted to use their knowledge to produce art...this was years ago of course and it took off elsewhere since. ..but art colleges in Ireland interviewing for places at the time were not interested in the world of programming. It was outside their remit in their eyes ..

things are definitely changing - there's a very strong emphasis on emerging technologies these days ime.

 

[Pickman's model]

I knew students who were literally turned away at art college who were ahead of the game with software programming and wanted to use their knowledge to produce art...this was years ago of course and it took off elsewhere since. ..but art colleges in Ireland interviewing for places at the time were not interested in the world of programming. It was outside their remit in their eyes ..

beauty, as i think you said above, in the eye of the beholder.

 

[wayward bob]

thought this thread might enjoy this. this term they're getting us to work harder on 'contextualising' our work and our practice, and talking about it. one of the questions was how do we identify - as artists/craftspeople/designers/whatever - and i chose "artisan" as a place somewhere between art and craft. i shall soon be branching out into unpasteurised cheese, sourdough bread and real ale :thumbs :

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

tits win prizes

And get you out of speeding tickets.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

"Leave that one, Bobby. I kinda like it."

 

[Miss Caphat]

I knew students who were literally turned away at art college who were ahead of the game with software programming and wanted to use their knowledge to produce art...this was years ago of course and it took off elsewhere since. ..but art colleges in Ireland interviewing for places at the time were not interested in the world of programming. It was outside their remit in their eyes ..
I guess I'm a bit old fashioned. I liked the idea that art and science ....were connected.
I look at The Turner art competition this year and wonder wtf a video of an anal sphincter tightening as it encounters a flower has to do with all the things art used to mean ...
It's not aesthetically pleasing...it's not something I personally view as innovative. .... and I'm sick of the "you don't understand conceptual art" line.



And youhave been personalising the thread and throwing accusations around...Something that was not needed.
Why not start your own thread on art?
And post some of your own work?

cool story.

I've really liked a lot of the contributions to this thread, and I think there's been some great discussion in spite of the antagonistic theme, so no need to start a new one.

not sure what my own artwork has to do with anything. my own artwork is rarely conceptual. doesn't mean I can't appreciate many different forms of art.

 

[Miss Caphat]

beauty, as i think you said above, in the eye of the beholder.

also, it might very well have been because there would be no one there to instruct them (the students using programming to produce art)...you can't really accept students to a program which doesn't exist.

 

[moon]

Why Art School is a Waste of Money

 

[wayward bob]

tell me it somehow gets better informed or more coherent after the first 2 1/2 minutes... he's a practising artist who makes some kind of living out of it, right?

 

[moon]

No, he basically says that animation is the only thing you should study at art school

 

[wayward bob]

well i'll take the value of his comments at face value then and save myself half an hour of my life :thumbs : i have homework to be getting on with

 

[Pickman's model]

well i'll take the value of his comments at face value

i'm not sure that's the way things are done.

 

[wayward bob]

eh? i thought you were eyerolling my atrocious writing, but i have a get out i'm an artist artisan

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

tell me it somehow gets better informed or more coherent after the first 2 1/2 minutes... he's a practising artist who makes some kind of living out of it, right?

I have to agree and I was willing to accept his premise. Art school certainly isn't for everyone. Anyone who want to paint in realist styles shouldn't bother with more than the foundation courses. Instead they should take courses from artists they respect and just work, work, work.

 

[moon]

I've just signed up for a new online class on drawing faces from different angles and expressions.. hoping it will be fun and informative.. but someone told me that going to life drawing classes was one of the best ways to accelerate learning etc..

 

[wayward bob]

Anyone who want to paint in realist styles shouldn't bother with more than the foundation courses. Instead they should take courses from artists they respect and just work, work, work.

i can't speak for fine art but certainly as far as my course is concerned they teach us a whole *load* of stuff about professional practice, alongside really challenging theoretical work (which definitely applies to fine art) as well. i really do wonder how many people who have an opinion on the usefulness or otherwise of art school actually have any first-hand experience to draw on (lol).

 

[wayward bob]

I've just signed up for a new online class on drawing faces from different angles and expressions.. hoping it will be fun and informative.. but someone told me that going to life drawing classes was one of the best ways to accelerate learning etc..

i have a love/hate relationship with drawing and life drawing in particular. in general i don't draw, because i don't particularly enjoy it. but imafo (in my arty-farty opinion ) there's (usually) a visible, qualitative difference between drawings that are underpinned by that experience/skill and those that aren't. while there's a place for both i think there's something about starting at the root - with observation of real life and translation of that into marks on a page - that just shows in the finished work.

 

[wayward bob]

... counts to 3 waiting for someone to post tracey emin's drawings...