Art that people rave about that's actually shit.

[weltweit]

well photography sure aint art....im (told by a brother in law who is an ace photographer) that i am also very good. Do i think that is 'art?' no way! its really not hard to take a good photo...

I disagree. It is easy to take an acceptable photograph, depending on what style or genre you are following but to create an exceptional photograph definitely takes special skill. Further, exceptional photography definitely is art in my book!

 

[Cheesypoof]

quite like Jeff Koons....an artist mate of mine hates him though, says he is a sham, and nothing more than an advertising executive (i dont agree)

 

[Cheesypoof]

I disagree. It is easy to take an acceptable photograph, depending on what style or genre you are following but to create an exceptional photograph definitely takes special skill. Further, exceptional photography definitely is art in my book!

skill perhaps, but it will never be comparable to the skill involved in drawing or painting.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

I do think Emin's bed is rubbish (well it is) though, she has claimed it is a seminal work, well it is seminal in that it is the first time someone has managed to get an art lover to pay that sort of price for an unmade bed certainly, but if it is seminal in the traditional understanding of the world, where are all the follow on beds from other artists? Where?

Yes...true indeed.

What people sometimes don't realise is that artists don't all do their own work.

"Hirst is one of the rare artists to publicly give credit to his team. Of his favorite assistant, Rachel Howard, he said, “The best spot painting you can have by me is one painted by Rachel.”
In 2008, Howard put one of her spot paintings, unsigned by Hirst, up for auction in New York. It brought in $90,000. Several months later, another of her spot paintings — this one signed by Hirst — sold for $2.25 million."

http://nypost.com/2014/04/27/inside-the-mad-world-of-modern-art/


This to me just shows how crazy the art world is...

 

[Cheesypoof]

yeh Hirst didnt do much of those....

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

Jeff Koons did not sell that work for $58.4 million. It was owned by Peter Brant, who bought it in the 1990s. The money raised by the sale was invested into The Brant Foundation Art Study Center.

Christie's sold it for that money.

 

[weltweit]

.. This to me just shows how crazy the art world is...

Yes I mean I think I see your point except that didn't Warhol operate a factory of workers also? and if you buy a car from Mercedes Benz, the original Benz didn't build it himself anymore it was probably mainly built by robots.

 

[Cheesypoof]

Saw Koon's Bears at the Tate. I thought they were brilliant. The impact was quite shocking. Loved them. Art is so subjective though...

 

[fishfinger]

Christie's sold it for that money.

Your post seemed to imply that Jeff Koons was getting $58.4 million in "patronage".

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

Yes I mean I think I see your point except that didn't Warhol operate a factory of workers also? and if you buy a car from Mercedes Benz, the original Benz didn't build it himself anymore it was probably mainly built by robots.

I think there is a long history of artists having students painting significant portions of paintings. But the artists themselves also painted/created art of their own.... They didn't just sign a student's piece and sell their signature...which is what Hirst has done on numerous occasions.

 

[oryx]

I went to see Tracy Emin's exhibition 'Love is what you want' and really liked it. Her attention to detail with quilting is extremely skillful and her prolific writing is quality. I think she is a good artist (i dont say this lightly, i spent two hours at this exhibition, which was a kind of magnum opus of all her work) and it is actually good (and very, very detailed).

I went to see her Turner Prize exhibition including 'My Bed' which I found really moving. I also think she's a brilliant at drawing, and love her neon and patchwork stuff.

I think it was Steve McQueen who won that year (1998) with stuff including a video of (IIRC) an old cassette recorder in a field with a balloon attached to it , which I really did not get.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

I don't think it's anything like that. These are not consumer products. The prices that they fetch may well be obscene, but it's not as if it makes a difference to the likes of you or me.

They are indeed consumer products, every bit as much as an iPhone... assuming you have exploited enough people to be able to afford a few hundred million to throw at incoherent splashes of paint on canvas.

 

[Cheesypoof]

I went to see her Turner Prize exhibition including 'My Bed' which I found really moving. I also think she's a brilliant at drawing, and love her neon and patchwork stuff.

her drawing (and even the writing!) is extraordinarily detailed and skillful....her exhibition blew me away...those HUGE quilts are incredible

 

[Dr_Herbz]

I went to see her Turner Prize exhibition including 'My Bed' which I found really moving. I also think she's a brilliant at drawing, and love her neon and patchwork stuff.

I think it was Steve McQueen who won that year (1998) with stuff including a video of (IIRC) an old cassette recorder in a field with a balloon attached to it , which I really did not get.

her drawing (and even the writing!) is extraordinarily detailed and skillful....the exhibition blew me away...those HUGE quilts are incredible

Any pictures of these outstanding drawings?

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

Your post seemed to imply that Jeff Koons was getting $58.4 million in "patronage".

I was pointing out the crazy price paid by a patron at the Christies auction for "balloon dog".

 

[fishfinger]

I was pointing out the crazy price paid by a patron at the Christies auction for "balloon dog".

But it wasn't Jeff Koons' patron that bought it for that price. It was bought by an unknown telephone bidder.

 

[Cheesypoof]

Any pictures of these outstanding drawings?

i know this sounds shallow - and anyone who has seen her work up close will agree - but it looks shit when photographed! you have to stand very close to see the amount of work put in. Here is an attempt ( i have tried to save and post this pic for the past 10 mins, dunno why it wont save, sorry for the delay...)

http://weareoca.com/fine_art/tracey-emin-love-is-what-you-want/

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

But it wasn't Jeff Koons' patron that bought it for that price. It was bought by an unknown telephone bidder.

Yes I know....but whoever bought it still became, albeit by default, a patron of Koons.
His stock price went through the roof.

 

[free spirit]

Jeff Koons did not sell that work for $58.4 million. It was owned by Peter Brant, who bought it in the 1990s. The money raised by the sale was invested into The Brant Foundation Art Study Center.

tbf if they've managed to make a balloon dog that doesn't deflate in 2 decades, then that really is some sort of special magic that's worthy of $58.4 million just to attempt to work out how it was done.


well, when I say worth $58.4 million, I could probably think of better things to spend the money on if I had it.

 

[Cheesypoof]

the price of art is just sinful....

 

[fishfinger]

His stock price went through the roof.

I'm afraid I don't understand this at all.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

Good or shit?... how much is this worth?

 

[fishfinger]

tbf if they've managed to make a balloon dog that doesn't deflate in 2 decades, then that really is some sort of special magic that's worthy of $58.4 million just to attempt to work out how it was done.

They cheated. It is made of stainless steel .

well, when I say worth $58.4 million, I could probably think of better things to spend the money on if I had it.

As for the money, I agree.

 

[weltweit]

Good or shit?... how much is this worth?

Abstract Rubix Cube, I'll give you a quid for it

 

[free spirit]

They cheated. It is made of stainless steel .

Thanks, I'll stop looking down the back of the sofa for the $58.39995 million I'm short.

 

[fishfinger]

Good or shit?... how much is this worth?

I don't particularly like it. It looks like some sort of Mondrian knock-off. As to what it's worth - whatever someone is prepared to pay for it.

 

[free spirit]

Good or shit?... how much is this worth?

That's doing bad things to my eyes.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

I don't particularly like it. It looks like some sort of Mondrian knock-off. As to what it's worth - whatever someone is prepared to pay for it.

It sold for 8.2 million squids

 

[fractionMan]

tracy emin is self indulgent narcisistic shite

 

[fishfinger]

It sold for 8.2 million squids

Who is it by?