SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
If you can drive in five minutes you can walk in 20. For free.
Any experts on parking laws around?
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If you can drive in five minutes you can walk in 20. For free.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
That's fine as long as those who don't own a car are allowed to rent out their permit to tourists.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
One permit per household, registered to a specific vehicle. Modest fee for changing the reg number the permit is registered to, to cover admin costs. Otherwise your airbnb types would undermine the whole system.
prunus
Tick tock.
Not actually the case in the countryside, where one can average rather more than 12mph. I'd say a 5 minute drive =~ 1hr walk.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
I live close to the centre of town and we get a few tourists here also, none of whom pay towards the upkeep of the infrastructure either
Parking hereabouts could be IRO £4.00 per hour. To park at these beauty spots, all day £2.00 ish?
Better the cars parked up on the edges than driving through the moors causing pollution, hitting animals, discarding litter Etc.
You are right about fuel, tax etc. though.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
S
So if I am a council tax payer without a car, I have to help subsidise the free parking for locals who are destroying the Devon countryside?
T & P
|-o-| (-o-) |-o-|
I'm sure you must be wrong. There clearly cannot be a single instance, ever, of a person's use of a car for a given journey being the only practical and realistic option.
A blatant impossibility, irrespective of the nature of the journey, location & local geography, distance to be covered, the person's personal physical circumstances, or the availability or lack therefof of alternative methods of transportation. Every single journey ever taken or to be taken in a car in this country is completely unjustifiable. Urban taught me that
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
It would take longer than 20 minutes to walk, and much of it along a busy and dangerous country lane, linking two 'A' roads.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
If only there was something that could be done about this.
SpookyFrank
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Ah yes, but the money from the bone-crushingly high parking charges goes into subisdising public transport, vital for carless locals particularly in remote places where commercial bus services may not be profitable.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
It would be great if rural public transport could provide a service to reduce the need for cars, vans & lorries.
Perhaps the two of you can sort that out.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Throwing in a little curve ball here......what about car parking charging at hospitals; thats worse than charging for paying to park at a beauty spot.
St Georges £2.50 per hour, Chelsea & Westminster £3.00.
Whilst having treatment at St G's, they gave me a "discount" which amounted to a weekly permit costing a tenner. I only used it for a few hours over two visits in a week
but hey, parking there is very limited.
St Georges £2.50 per hour, Chelsea & Westminster £3.00.
Whilst having treatment at St G's, they gave me a "discount" which amounted to a weekly permit costing a tenner. I only used it for a few hours over two visits in a week
but hey, parking there is very limited.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Utter bollocks.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
To be fair it's usually just the loudest voices, but it is obvious horseshit. It's like the "I scrimped and saved to send my kids to private school" line you sometimes hear, I don't think those people know what scrimping and saving actually is.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Tell me about it, I spent over £30 in a week, when my mother was last in hospital.
I could swallow that, but a lot of people can't.
mauvais
on reddit or something
Yeah, we could tarmac more countryside
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
This is a very dangerous argument that smacks of outright Tory boy thinking.
I am a taxpayer with no children yet I have to subsidise schools, I have to pay a mortgage yet I still have to pay tax so other people get a council house and so-on ad nauseum
The whole point of paying taxes is that the cost of paying for society is based on people's ability to pay not what services they use.
Parking charges are just part of the cost of running a car along with fuel, insurance whatever, I probably could manage without a car but my life would be vastly more complicated, every journey would have to be carefully planned and would take far longer, I would have to stay away from home for work much more often.
It's just so much easier to have a car and accept that it costs me money to do so.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
In principle: whack up the parking charges further, and put the money raised towards improving subsidised transport to and from hospital for those who are unable to use public transport.
Especially in London, if hospitals have land available they should be using it for facilities for medical care, not wasting it as parking space for the wealthiest of their patients.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
The point is, tax spent on car parking is being spent on the people that can most afford to pay for it themselves. It's not comparable with the examples you give.
Schools and people having children are beneficial to wider society; people owning cars is harmful to wider society.
Shall we use council tax revenue to pay for free of charge yacht berths? Yacht owners could probably get by without yachts but it would be less convenient for them to have nice weekends out, so let's subsidise it and non yacht-owners shouldn't complain.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
That's exactly why I say put the money towards transport schemes that deal with exactly this (which exist already to some extent).
If you are elderly, disabled, feeling absoutley crap and/or neutropenic, you may well not be able to drive anyway, and you may not have a friend or relative who can drive you to hospital.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
If the council wants to provide free yacht berths then fine but I doubt it's going to be much of a vote winner. That's kind of the idea of democratic accountability, the council uses public funds to provide public services and the public get to chuck them out if the public aren't happy where their money is going.
If the public want to vote against free car parks or free schools then they can do that as well though I suspect there is naturally enough a lot more support for either of those than for yacht berths.
What you can't have is indvidual citizens trying to opt out of paying for a service because they don't use that particular one. The guy who doesn't want to pay for roads because he doesn't have a car is no different than the one who doesn't want to either because he goes everywhere by helicopter.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
People vote for the Conservatives. So that invalidates all arguments as to why it would be better if the Conservatives weren't in power. We just go along with whatever there's 'natural support' for at the time, and don't waste effort in trying to argue for change.
The issue is not about whether people should be able to opt out of a service once it's been decided that it's something worth paying for through taxation. It's whether free parking, on public land, for privately owned vehicles is something that should be provided as a 'service'. My view is that it should not be.
The issue is not about whether people should be able to opt out of a service once it's been decided that it's something worth paying for through taxation. It's whether free parking, on public land, for privately owned vehicles is something that should be provided as a 'service'. My view is that it should not be.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Staff have to pay for parking too.
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