Another 'Bible John' podcast...

[kebabking]

Crime isn't normally my thing, but this podcast - 10 parts - by Audrey Gillan, formerly of the Guardian (I met her a few times in Iraq and quite liked her), and a Glasgow journalist has been quite interesting.

It's much more about the victims and their families, as well as the social environment than all the normal hysterical ghoulish stuff one sees.

The stuff about the investigation is just jaw-dropping: incompetence, a perversion of the investigation by two of the senior plod, and some pretty grim attitudes on display...

Enjoyable, in a 'you fucking what?..' way, and i discovered that I lived in the same street as Patricia Docker, who was murdered in February 1968.

Bible John: Creation of a Serial Killer - Introducing Bible John: Creation of a Serial Killer - BBC Sounds

Journalist Audrey Gillan digs back into the story of the Bible John murders.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[friedaweed]

Crime isn't normally my thing, but this podcast - 10 parts - by Audrey Gillan, formerly of the Guardian (I met her a few times in Iraq and quite liked her), and a Glasgow journalist has been quite interesting.

It's much more about the victims and their families, as well as the social environment than all the normal hysterical ghoulish stuff one sees.

The stuff about the investigation is just jaw-dropping: incompetence, a perversion of the investigation by two of the senior plod, and some pretty grim attitudes on display...

Enjoyable, in a 'you fucking what?..' way, and i discovered that I lived in the same street as Patricia Docker, who was murdered in February 1968.

Bible John: Creation of a Serial Killer - Introducing Bible John: Creation of a Serial Killer - BBC Sounds

Journalist Audrey Gillan digs back into the story of the Bible John murders.

www.bbc.co.uk

Nice one. I'm driving up to the Highlands tomorrow. I'm downloading that for the part where it gets dark and I've still got 5 hours to go

 

[equationgirl]

Might take a look at that kebabking appreciated the old Patrick Marine police station building is not fair from where I live so I have often thought of the case.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

‘Bible John’ is suspected as being Tobin or Sinclair, more likely the latter.

 

[kebabking]

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Might take a look at that kebabking appreciated the old Patrick Marine police station building is not fair from where I live so I have often thought of the case.

Me to - I used to live round the corner from the first victim, Patricia Docker, in Battlefield. She used to take her son to the same cafe that I took my daughter to. Still owned by the same family.

Magnus McGinty the podcast is well worth listening to. Sadly it's not Tobin - however convenient it might be. he was in prison when one of the murders occurred, and on honeymoon in Brighton for another. His then wife, who provided his alibi, subsequently gave evidence against him for rape, so she's no reason to cover for him.

The Police who did the cold case review take the view that the original investigation was a disaster, and that the two seniors who ran it were covering for the cousin of one them, a bloke called Innes, who was subsequently dug up for a DNA test that then proved inconclusive. Innes was almost certainly the man in the taxi with the third victim, Helen Puttock. It's his face we all know, but there's little to link him to the other two.

They seemed to be of the opinion that 'Bible John', the serial killer doesn't exist, that it was lazy cops, lazy journalism, and 'wishful thinking' that made one man responsible.

Personally I'm suspicious of police being obsessed by the modus operandi of a killer, and too quickly dismissing any murder that doesn't quite fit into a particular pattern - but OTOH the murders stopped (or appear to have done so), and serial killers don't stop, so maybe there wasn't a serial killer...

Be interesting to see a statistical analysis of murders in Glasgow/west Central belt in the 10 years before, and 20 years after the Murders. Whether the three stood out, or whether they didn't. Barrowlands wasn't the only place you'd meet women in Glasgow...