Anelka's quenelle

[frogwoman]

Mate I think this might be a misconception? (Altho bare in mind I'm no expert). I think you have to truly repent to be forgiven, and get to heaven.

I was talking about what some of my lot believe! In our version of purgatory you have your sins cleansed for a fixed period and some Jews believe EVERYONE goes to heaven bat the end of their time in purgatory, I find this a bit hard to stomach tbh.

 

[Pickman's model]

I was talking about what some of my lot believe! In our version of purgatory you have your sins cleansed for a fixed period and some Jews believe EVERYONE goes to heaven bat the end of their time in purgatory, I find this a bit hard to stomach tbh.

in that case i'd rather go to hell, there'll be some legroom.

 

[Edie]

I was talking about what some of my lot believe! In our version of purgatory you have your sins cleansed for a fixed period and some Jews believe EVERYONE goes to heaven bat the end of their time in purgatory, I find this a bit hard to stomach tbh.

Why?

 

[frogwoman]

in that case i'd rather go to hell, there'll be some legroom.

Yeah I know, right? Its just mental .

 

[Greebo]

"than which" what, though?

As a measure of distance and location, relative to where it currently is/was.

 

[elbows]

 

[frogwoman]

Why?

Because you could end up with Hitler and the like in heaven, also the whole idea of purgatory is slightly weird.

 

[Frances Lengel]

It's all bollocks anyway. No one goes to heaven. There is no heaven. Nor hell.

No offence to anyone who thinks otherwise though.

 

[cesare]

As a measure of distance and location, relative to where it currently is/was.

What he said didn't make sense though!

 

[Greebo]

Because you could end up with Hitler and the like in heaven, also the whole idea of purgatory is slightly weird.

Also the Devil has all the best tunes, while God has Cliff Richard and Daniel O'Donnell.

 

[frogwoman]

It's all bollocks anyway. No one goes to heaven. There is no heaven. Nor hell.

No offence to anyone who thinks otherwise though.

Well we can't say that until after we've died and as far as I know nobody's ever come back to tell us about heaven, hell, purgatory etc. It's better to concentrate on living a good life on earth, you make your heaven and hell on earth IMO. Equally nobody's ever come back to let us know it's all bollocks.

 

[Edie]

used to love that tune, not heard it in years

 

[revol68]

Well we can't say that until after we've died and as far as I know nobody's ever come back to tell us about heaven, hell, purgatory etc. It's better to concentrate on living a good life on earth, you make your heaven and hell on earth IMO. Equally nobody's ever come back to let us know it's all bollocks.

there's a dragon at the end of your street...

 

[Pickman's model]

Well we can't say that until after we've died and as far as I know nobody's ever come back to tell us about heaven, hell, purgatory etc. It's better to concentrate on living a good life on earth, you make your heaven and hell on earth IMO.

what? you mean jesus didn't tell people what they could expect?

 

[bamalama]

Also the Devil has all the best tunes, while God has Cliff Richard and Daniel O'Donnell.

And johnny cash

 

[Pickman's model]

And johnny cash

and aled jones

 

[elbows]

Because you could end up with Hitler and the like in heaven, also the whole idea of purgatory is slightly weird.

I don't really understand the point of half-hearted forgiveness on the spiritual plane. All or nothing, or its just a nonsense of vengeful, petty god(s).

The whole 'love your enemy' and 'turn the other cheek' stuff interests me. Sure there are many scenarios where it seems like a weak and dangerous plan, but then again there seems to be some interesting potential there, if done right. I don't have much faith that it could ever happen, but anything that could break vicious circles is at least worth some occasional pondering in my book.

And I certainly don't see the point in loving only those that it is easy to love.

 

[bamalama]

and aled jones

And lee perry

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.jewfaq.org/m/olamhaba.htm

Just found this for anyone interested.

 

[LiamO]

And johnny cash

and Kris Kristoferson

 

[LiamO]

It's better to concentrate on living a good life on earth, you make your heaven and hell on earth IMO.

this.

It's all metaphors anyway.

 

[frogwoman]

I don't really understand the point of half-hearted forgiveness on the spiritual plane. All or nothing, or its just a nonsense of vengeful, petty god(s).

The whole 'love your enemy' and 'turn the other cheek' stuff interests me. Sure there are many scenarios where it seems like a weak and dangerous plan, but then again there seems to be some interesting potential there, if done right. I don't have much faith that it could ever happen, but anything that could break vicious circles is at least worth some occasional pondering in my book.

And I certainly don't see the point in loving only those that it is easy to love.

Oh totally, I agree with all that. I don't think things like forgiveness and redemption are unique to Christianity though I don't think you have to be a Christian to believe that there can be hope for almost anyone, I really hope I haven't given the impression I believe some harsh shit, of course we all fuck up, its just that to me being a good person and trying not to cause misery and suffering has got to be more important than what you believe on a theological level.

 

[cesare]

tbh now greebo's said that dwyer can bore his own cheeks what hope is there for him to entertain anyone?

 

[Pickman's model]

& and pan's people

 

[Greebo]

And johnny cash

Johnny Cash is debatable - I reckon he'd have taken one look at heaven and decided it was too boring for him.

 

[bamalama]

 

[LiamO]

My favourite quote on religion and metaphor....

“Half the people in the world think that the metaphors of their religious traditions, for example, are facts. And the other half contends that they are not facts at all. As a result we have people who consider themselves believers because they accept metaphors as facts, and we have others who classify themselves as atheists because they think religious metaphors are lies.” ―Joseph Campbell,Thou Art That: Transforming Religious Metaphor

... plenty of the second kind on here.

 

[bamalama]

Johnny Cash is debatable - I reckon he'd have taken one look at heaven and decided it was too boring for him.

Nah, sure the fragrant june's already there

 

[bamalama]

 

[Greebo]

tbh now greebo's said that dwyer can bore his own cheeks what hope is there for him to entertain anyone?

Don't beat around the bush, just come right out and say what you think next time.