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They sing along to this at church, it always makes me a little :hmm: as the lyrics are 'Our God is greater, Our God is stronger'. I assume they mean than sin and human suffering, but it could sound a little playground if you took it the wrong way.

 
TruXta said:
Wasn't sheol some kinda hell-like place in some Jewish theologies/stories?
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Kind of yeah, it was meant to be where everyone went after they died. There are some descriptions in the Talmud about sinners being boiled in excrement etc, but the idea of eternal torment doesn't really exist (although there is no prescribrd belief about the afterlife so someone out there almostcertainly believes it)
 
frogwoman said:
Me too, I'd rather they went to hell. According to some views after the year in purgatory their soul is obliterated by God, which is presumably horrible and painful, then they just die. And purgatory isn't meant to be that great either. :D I agree though, its slightly annoying that hell doesn't exist sometimes :D
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Hell exists on earth though - Watkins waking up in a cell every morning for at least the next thirty years, knowing that's all his life is going to be. For decades. Won't be much fun for him. No more than he deserves though.

And old Adolf, the madman. In the last days of the bunker with the drains all backed up and shit flowing down the corridors, in defeat and disgrace with Berlin all bombed to fuck and the lads practically at the door. Having to take that cyanide pill. He won't have liked that. I wonder if he wished he'd never done it? Still, anyway, again no more than he deserved.
 
Edie said:
They sing along to this at church, it always makes me a little :hmm: as the lyrics are 'Our God is greater, Our God is stronger'. I assume they mean than sin and human suffering, but it could sound a little playground if you took it the wrong way.

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LOL i've actually told frogwoman how much I hate that one. Matt Redman does a version.

If your god is so fucking awesome and almighty then maybe you don't need to brag about it being the biggest penis in the theological world. And it encourages ecumenism of the sword.

I proper hate insipid love songs to jesus and I also dislike semi-militarist calls to arms, harking to Jericho (wtf man) and so on.
 
DotCommunist said:
LOL i've actually told frogwoman how much I hate that one. Matt Redman does a version.

If your god is so fucking awesome and almighty then maybe you don't need to brag about it being the biggest penis in the theological world. And it encourages ecumenism of the sword.

I proper hate insipid love songs to jesus and I also dislike semi-militarist calls to arms, harking to Jericho (wtf man) and so on.
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Almost every week man. Along with the kiddies favourite 'Our God is a great big God'. Can you still do the hand movements Commie? :D
 
Frances Lengel said:
Hell exists on earth though - Watkins waking up in a cell every morning for at least the next thirty years, knowing that's all his life is going to be. For decades. Won't be much fun for him. No more than he deserves though.

And old Adolf, the madman. In the last days of the bunker with the drains all backed up and shit flowing down the corridors, in defeat and disgrace with Berlin all bombed to fuck and the lads practically at the door. Having to take that cyanide pill. He won't have liked that. I wonder if he wished he'd never done it? Still, anyway, again no more than he deserved.
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That's more or less the attitude most people take on it, theres another view that you shouldn't speculate on what its gonna be like when you die so you should concentrate on being observant now for its own sake not cos of what happens after death.
 
frogwoman said:
That's more or less the attitude most people take on it, theres another view that you shouldn't speculate on what its gonna be like when you die so you should concentrate on being observant now for its own sake not cos of what happens after death.
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Well yeah, the way I see it though is that this life & this world is all there is so it's our responsibility to make each others lives as easy and painless as possible. And AFAIC, god and the afterlife and such get in the way of that. IYSWIM, not sure I explained that very well.
 
Frances Lengel said:
Hell exists on earth though - Watkins waking up in a cell every morning for at least the next thirty years, knowing that's all his life is going to be. For decades. Won't be much fun for him. No more than he deserves though.

And old Adolf, the madman. In the last days of the bunker with the drains all backed up and shit flowing down the corridors, in defeat and disgrace with Berlin all bombed to fuck and the lads practically at the door. Having to take that cyanide pill. He won't have liked that. I wonder if he wished he'd never done it? Still, anyway, again no more than he deserved.
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afaik he was in latter stage untreated parkisnsons and dosed up on a proper pharmacopeia of drugs. So off the scale. He shot his miss before doing himself. I don't think regrets came much into it by that point.
 
Edie said:
They sing along to this at church, it always makes me a little :hmm: as the lyrics are 'Our God is greater, Our God is stronger'. I assume they mean than sin and human suffering, but it could sound a little playground if you took it the wrong way.

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What's wrong with lions? :D
DotCommunist said:
afaik he was in latter stage untreated parkisnsons and dosed up on a proper pharmacopeia of drugs. So off the scale. He shot his miss before doing himself. I don't think regrets came much into it by that point.
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Oh well, what a shame.
 
This was always my favourite hymn. Sounds a bit country. And didn't Kristoffeson once say if it sounds country it is country - It's a country song? That'll do for me anyway.


And this one. But when we sang it back in the juniors, we used to give it "walk, wa-ah-ah-ha-ha, walk in the light of the lord". Good times.

 
DotCommunist said:
afaik he was in latter stage untreated parkisnsons and dosed up on a proper pharmacopeia of drugs. So off the scale. He shot his miss before doing himself. I don't think regrets came much into it by that point.
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Still though, ending your life by your own hand - It's a big step. Drugged up or not, I like to think he was crying when he did it.
 
Frances Lengel said:
Still though, ending your life by your own hand - It's a big step. Drugged up or not, I like to think he was crying when he did it.
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Because he had lost the war and the thousand year Reich was no more, quite possibly. He never showed any remorse whatsoever though. I find it a bit hard to stomach that he could end up in heaven after doing his year in purgatory, if you take the view everyone goes to heaven which some people do.
 
DotCommunist said:
I know, a single fuck was not given that day etc

apparently the rancid fuckers bones still reside in former kremlin archives but nobody is allowed to look at them and solve the one/two ball conundrum once and for all
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Kershaw reckons there was nothing wrong with his balls but that theres evidence he was the product of incest.
 
frogwoman said:
Because he had lost the war and the thousand year Reich was no more, quite possibly. He never showed any remorse whatsoever though. I find it a bit hard to stomach that he could end up in heaven after doing his year in purgatory, if you take the view everyone goes to heaven which some people do.
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I reckon though, in the act of killing yourself, there's got to be a moment of clarity. The chickens are home. And they're roosting like good uns. I doubt Hitler ever thought he was wrong or wanted redemption, but I do like to think he cried tears of self pity and felt absolutely wretched (I can't imagine anyone killing themself not feeling wretched TBH, I struggle to think of anything worse) as he did himself in. And I also like to think he wished he'd never bothered doing any of his crap - Again, I'm not daft enough to think he had a damascus moment and realised he was wrong, but I do hope the full horror of the fact that he'd put himself there by his own actions did dawn on him as he writhed in his throes. And, given that he was a speed freak, I think that's entirely possible. Coz a speed comedown does tend to leave you feeling wretched even if you haven't tried to conquer Europe/start a thousand year reich/pointlessly massacre loads of blameless people.

In short, I reckon (and hope) he suffered at the time of his suicide.
 
another song from a western - a fenian one this time, from the 1939 film rio grande



of course, as the lyrics make clear this is somewhat anachronistic: 50 years from the fenian rising would by c.1917.
 
Frances Lengel said:
I reckon though, in the act of killing yourself, there's got to be a moment of clarity. The chickens are home. And they're roosting like good uns. I doubt Hitler ever thought he was wrong or wanted redemption, but I do like to think he cried tears of self pity and felt absolutely wretched (I can't imagine anyone killing themself not feeling wretched TBH, I struggle to think of anything worse) as he did himself in. And I also like to think he wished he'd never bothered doing any of his crap - Again, I'm not daft enough to think he had a damascus moment and realised he was wrong, but I do hope the full horror of the fact that he'd put himself there by his own actions did dawn on him as he writhed in his throes. And, given that he was a speed freak, I think that's entirely possible. Coz a speed comedown does tend to leave you feeling wretched even if you haven't tried to conquer Europe/start a thousand year reich/pointlessly massacre loads of blameless people.

In short, I reckon (and hope) he suffered at the time of his suicide.
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of course he suffered at the time of his suicide, he wasn't too keen on loud noises since 20/7/1944 and of course there were lots of loud bangs in the berlin of may 1945.
 
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