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xslavearcx said:
think anglicanism has at least done a bit to preserve the kinda aesthetics that used to be associated with the catholic church. Greek Orthodox keeps it real as well...
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that would depend on what sort of CofE church you are going to. Another broad church lol- anglo catholic wing, proddy/lutheran/reformationistic wing, and inbetweeners
 
DotCommunist said:
of course not- its simply what I noticed most when attending catholic services after an austere ish baptist upbringing. The other one that got me was the question-response from priest to audience. And also with you etc.

closest to that level of ritualism in baptist I ever saw was recitation of the serenity prayer. You know 'god grant me' etc.
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Full immersion's something you tend to notice more than incense
 
Frances Lengel said:
No worries mate :) But I actually like that bit I've highlighted. I like the scariness of it. Even though I never believed a word of it. Purgatory? Yeah,is that right George. Stations of the cross to get time off purgatory? Come on. Limbo for the unbaptised? You've got to be messin. AFAIC a catholic education teaches you at a very early age that a lot of what you get told is bullshit. Which isn't a bad thing.
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Na that stuff is the best parts of catholicism :D

 
xslavearcx said:
think anglicanism has at least done a bit to preserve the kinda aesthetics that used to be associated with the catholic church. Greek Orthodox keeps it real as well...
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I've been to an anglican mass (or service or whatever, is it only catholics who call it mass?) and I'll tell you what, they've mangled the lords prayer - "Your will be done" instead of "Thy will be done" And "Forgive us our sins " instead of "Forgive us our trespasses". Mind you, by rights it should be in latin anyway.
 
cesare said:
Some amazing Islamic religious architecture etc too. And other religions.
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There's supposed to be, well there is, a church type effort somewhere in Spain, that was originally built by the Moors as an Islamic effort but was later taken over by the catholics anyway, my mam's seeen it when she was in Spain and she said it looks mental with all this catholic imagery kind of superimposed over the original moorish mosiacy type stuff.
 
Frances Lengel said:
I've been to an anglican mass (or service or whatever, is it only catholics who call it mass?) and I'll tell you what, they've mangled the lords prayer - "Your will be done" instead of "Thy will be done" And "Forgive us our sins " instead of "Forgive us our trespasses". Mind you, by rights it should be in latin anyway.
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our version is tighter and has the greater poetical validity.

Possibly :hmm:
 
Frances Lengel said:
There's supposed to be, well there is, a church type effort somewhere in Spain, that was originally built by the Moors as an Islamic effort but was later taken over by the catholics anyway, my mam's seeen it when she was in Spain and she said it looks mental with all this catholic imagery kind of superimposed over the original moorish mosiacy type stuff.
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see also the Hagia Sophia of Istanbul.
 
Frances Lengel said:
There's supposed to be, well there is, a church type effort somewhere in Spain, that was originally built by the Moors as an Islamic effort but was later taken over by the catholics anyway, my mam's seeen it when she was in Spain and she said it looks mental with all this catholic imagery kind of superimposed over the original moorish mosiacy type stuff.
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Aye, I think I remember seeing that on the Islamic architecture documentary on BBC3 not so long back
 
phildwyer said:
What you don't understand is that you lose the argument like that.

In front of everyone, and for all to see, you declare ideological bankruptcy.
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No, I just think you're an idiot. In front of everyone, and for all to see, I called you an idiot. Nothing more, nothing less.

You don't need a blue print for a new society to think that people who oppose capitalism because it's helping dilute the purity of the race/nation/culture, because it challenges traditional authority, because it offers (extremely limited) opportunities for the untermensch to overtake the ubermensch, because it allows decadent infidels to poison the ummah or because it's a Jewish plot aimed at world domination and want to replace it with a 'traditional' system in which the political and economic hierarchies are even more rigid and social attitudes even more backward are not on the same side as those who oppose it because it restricts the autonomy of individuals and social groups, causes increasing amounts of inequality of all kinds, leads to the destruction of the environment, helps perpetuate the kinds of prejudices that the 'other anticapitalists' want to reinforce and causes wars over resources and want to replace it with a system in which the decisions that are now made by elites are made collectively be everyone affected. And I don't need a blue print of a new society to know that I'd take capitalism over what those reactionary cunts want any day of the week.

Other than possibly calling you an idiot and a cunt a few more times I doubt you'll hear much more from me in this thread because I can't be arsed to play your stupid games and I definitely don't want to play any part in helping you test the ideas you're gonna Hawk in your next shit writings. You used to be quite an entertaining troll but you've just become dull now, repeating the same contrarian crap over and over again and taking perverse pleasure out of deliberately upsetting decent people.
 
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Frances Lengel said:
No worries mate :) But I actually like that bit I've highlighted. I like the scariness of it. Even though I never believed a word of it. Purgatory? Yeah,is that right George. Stations of the cross to get time off purgatory? Come on. Limbo for the unbaptised? You've got to be messin. AFAIC a catholic education teaches you at a very early age that a lot of what you get told is bullshit. Which isn't a bad thing.
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I know. It's insane, purgatory ffs! how the fuck do you comprehend that as a child, as an adult? I think there's a time in every Catholic's life when you just say 'that's bollocks' but it continues as a secular, cultural thing in your head. And then when you doubt any of it, the whole thing comes down and you deal with some kind of grief. Like all religion, it only works if you go all in.
 
Ironically (given the thread) I noticed at church this Sunday that during the 'For thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory' part when everyone raises their hand towards the cross at about the same time that it did bear (slight) similarity to the Nazi salute.

I'm certain that this would be horrifying if they knew it, but I was on the balcony and all I'm saying is the thought did pop into my mind.
 
phildwyer said:
Or do you rather conclude that their brawling indicates a shared mentality, similar tastes and virtually indistinguishable interests?

That's how I see Commies v. Fash.
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If you would care to even read about militant antifascism in the UK as an example. Many anti fascists have fought not because of the thrill of the fight (although that is a draw for some) but because the fash want to turn people to soap and that they want to put them into ovens and that fash are anti working class. So I don't think these things are shared with fash.
 
Edie said:
Ironically (given the thread) I noticed at church this Sunday that during the 'For thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory' part when everyone raises their hand towards the cross at about the same time that it did bear (slight) similarity to the Nazi salute.

I'm certain that this would be horrifying if they knew it, but I was on the balcony and all I'm saying is the thought did pop into my mind.
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:D
 
xslavearcx said:
For my funeral, i want a latin mass, and i want it to have the longest most dreary homily ever, with themes of suffering and death. some fire and brimstone would be lovely too - what there needs to be constructed is a fire and brimstone religion that is not politically dodge. id be signing up for some of that...
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If I know I'm on my way out I'm gonna arrange my own funeral and I'll have a video of myself played there where I pretend to be a ghost and stuff. I'm also gonna cosy up to the vicar and tell him loads of lies about my achievements so he relays them to the congregation as I'm being sent to my final resting place :cool:
 
killer b said:
loads of spanish religious architecture has a moorish cast to it. makes a nice change.
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I remember going to Bradford in the van with this dodgy as fuck guy I used to work for called Aub. Anyway, we went past the Alhambra and he went "Is that a theatre? It sounds like some sort of paki place". Anyway, I was able to tell him he was sort of right, being as the Bradford Alhambra was named after the Spanish Alhambra which was some sort of palace or something for the Moors. Who, though hailing from North Africa rather than Pakistan were, nonetheless, Muslims. He was quite impressed. Didn't give me a payrise though. But he did say "How the fuck do you know about things like that, Benny?" And just hearing this little fat motormouth, curly top cheetham hill jewish guy call me Benny was better than any pay rise. Coz (and I've said this before, every time he called me Benny, I imagined myself to be in Top Cat's gang).
 
xslavearcx Our version of purgatory is a place everyone (apart from people who died for the faith who get sent straight to heaven, and the Hitlers and Ian Watkins's of this world who just die, sometimes after purgatory sometimes not) goes to for a fixed period, supposedly a year for all their sins to be cleansed, after that they are admitted to heaven. Not everyone believes this though, some people believe in reincarnation and other stuff, there's no hell though.

I'm not sure I believe it tho and why should people who died for the faith get to jump the purgatory queue :D
 
frogwoman said:
xslavearcx Our version of purgatory is a place everyone (apart from people who died for the faith who get sent straight to heaven, and the Hitlers and Ian Watkins's of this world who just die, sometimes after purgatory sometimes not) goes to for a fixed period, supposedly a year for all their sins to be cleansed, after that they are admitted to heaven. Not everyone believes this though, some people believe in reincarnation and other stuff, there's no hell though.

I'm not sure I believe it tho and why should people who died for the faith get to jump the purgatory queue :D
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kinda more down with watkins and hitlers going to the quranic descriptions of hell which are absolutly terrifying. the general consensus in islam, is that hellfire is eternal, but there are more hippy interpretations that ultimately hellfire is finite.
 
frogwoman said:
xslavearcx Our version of purgatory is a place everyone (apart from people who died for the faith who get sent straight to heaven, and the Hitlers and Ian Watkins's of this world who just die, sometimes after purgatory sometimes not) goes to for a fixed period, supposedly a year for all their sins to be cleansed, after that they are admitted to heaven. Not everyone believes this though, some people believe in reincarnation and other stuff, there's no hell though.

I'm not sure I believe it tho and why should people who died for the faith get to jump the purgatory queue :D
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But if there's no hell, Mad Meg couldn't have gone there to pillage the place

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And that bad motherfucker Stagger Lee couldn't have run the devil out of there and took over the joint for himself.
 
xslavearcx said:
kinda more down with watkins and hitlers going to the quranic descriptions of hell which are absolutly terrifying. the general consensus in islam, is that hellfire is eternal, but there are more hippy interpretations that ultimately hellfire is finite.
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Me too, I'd rather they went to hell. According to some views after the year in purgatory their soul is obliterated by God, which is presumably horrible and painful, then they just die. And purgatory isn't meant to be that great either. :D I agree though, its slightly annoying that hell doesn't exist sometimes :D
 
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