A thank you to Brexiteers.

[littlebabyjesus]

i had no idea it cost that much to be British. Becoming a slovakian was a lot of paperwork but i think about £200 in the end including the passport.

It was ramped up in the late 90s/early 2000s. Used to cost a couple of hundred quid and involved doing a short ceremony in front of a solicitor. Now you have to sit a written exam and do all sorts of stupid, meaningless shit.

There are now also various kinds of work visas that cost thousands.

 

[Tanya1982]

Chester by election does indeed have a rejoin candidate . Perhaps this will be the spark

Election 22: Richard Hewison of the Rejoin EU party

1.Tell us about yourself and why you’re standingMy name is Richard Hewison and whilst I am not a professional politician, I am someone who believes passionately in maximising personal freedom…

thechesterblog.com

How much was your Portuguese citizenship/residency/whatever?

 

[The39thStep]

How much was your Portuguese citizenship/residency/whatever?

Residency , I think about 25/30 euros .( reminds me I need to sort out renewing it) .
I can vote in local ie municipal elections but not national and that would include a national referendum. I don’t think there are many countries that allow foreigners who haven’t got full citizenship to vote in national elections .

 

[Serge Forward]

I've tried them in various formats over the course of my life, prepared in diverse ways in many countries where they're a commonplace ingredient or standalone. I don't like them. I'm not eating them wrongly, I just don't like them.

I promise not to make any moral judgements about you not liking them

 

[Tanya1982]

Residency , I think about 25/30 euros .( reminds me I need to sort out renewing it) .
I can vote in local ie municipal elections but not national and that would include a national referendum. I don’t think there are many countries that allow foreigners who haven’t got full citizenship to vote in national elections .

For €25, you can't complain. Those living in the UK, excluded by the prohibitive cost of changing their status, are in a different position.

 

[The39thStep]

For €25, you can't complain. Those living in the UK, excluded by the prohibitive cost of changing their status, are in a different position.

I’m haven’t complained , I simply answered your question . The fees and conditions for residency vary from country to country .
How much is settled status in the U.K.?

 

[JimW]

My two year spousal residency costs CNY1,000 or so IIRC, would be technical eligible for a green card equivalent next time I think after over five years straight in residence but there are some income requirements I'd likely not meet. Should be able to renew current status indefinitely until war breaks out at least. Coming the other way been hard to even bring family home on a visit due to racist UK requirements, not helped by wife being Fujianese so top of list of suspected illegal immigrants.

 

[Chz]

I’m haven’t complained , I simply answered your question . The fees and conditions for residency vary from country to country .
How much is settled status in the U.K.?

You've made me look up some of the costs to see what's changed. For most, settled status is £1500. But resident EU citizens got a sweet deal as a part of brexit that's a small fraction of that. More interesting to me is that they've closed my loophole - indefinite leave to remain is now an absurd £2400 so it would be cheaper to become a citizen now as it's a grand cheaper. I'm glad I got that sorted before the Home Office went totally bonkers.

 

[The39thStep]

You've made me look up some of the costs to see what's changed. For most, settled status is £1500. But resident EU citizens got a sweet deal as a part of brexit that's a small fraction of that. More interesting to me is that they've closed my loophole - indefinite leave to remain is now an absurd £2400 so it would be cheaper to become a citizen now as it's a grand cheaper. I'm glad I got that sorted before the Home Office went totally bonkers.

Thanks , I had no idea of whether there were costs or not for the pre Brexit citizens. My new post Brexit residencia is due but I haven't looked up the new cost.

 

[Tanya1982]

I’m haven’t complained , I simply answered your question . The fees and conditions for residency vary from country to country .
How much is settled status in the U.K.?

Don't be so defensive. I was saying 'you can't complain' as in the generic you, and the common phrase 'can't complain'.

I know I simply asked you a question and you simply answered it, so I simply responded to it in what I thought was a fairly friendly and generic way. If it wasn't, I'll reflect on that, but your response there was incredibly defensive and lacking generosity for no real reason.

I think we've exchanged a couple of posts in the past that have been fairly good natured on each side, so I'm a little disappointed and surprised with this one.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I’m haven’t complained , I simply answered your question . The fees and conditions for residency vary from country to country .
How much is settled status in the U.K.?

Basic point.

You benefitted from the UK's membership of the EU in a way that people can't benefit from now.

Yet you support Brexit.

Is there a way of squaring that circle? I'll be honest. Every single pro-brexit post from you comes across to me as someone who still lives in the UK as completely and utterly clueless. And to be specific, any post from you that mentions class is particularly clueless.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Meanwhile there are other pro-brexit people on here banging on about class who thought nothing back in the day of spunking 100 quid on drugs on a night out. You're not downtrodden working class heroes. You're middle class degenerates.

And yes, ---, among other shitty things that you are, that's you. Don't ask me to elaborate. Don't fucking dare.

[ed: real name removed]

 

[prunus]

I’m just going to leave this here for the headline.

Danish Crown to build £100m gammon plant in UK despite Brexit red tape

Pork producer said it was required to produce an additional 33,000 pages of paperwork per year

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[prunus]

Much as I'd like to agree with that, there was a clear socio-economic trend to the binary vote. We've had this posted many times before but it bears repetition:

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I think that is showing the effect of education levels for which class is a proxy. Control for the former and the apparent correlation reverses, iirc.

 

[The39thStep]

Basic point.

You benefitted from the UK's membership of the EU in a way that people can't benefit from now.

Yet you support Brexit.

Is there a way of squaring that circle? I'll be honest. Every single pro-brexit post from you comes across to me as someone who still lives in the UK as completely and utterly clueless. And to be specific, any post from you that mentions class is particularly clueless.

Thank you and how's your good self at one in the morning comrade

 

[mojo pixy]

Basic point.

You benefitted from the UK's membership of the EU in a way that people can't benefit from now.

Yet you support Brexit.

Meanwhile there are other pro-brexit people on here banging on about class who thought nothing back in the day of spunking 100 quid on drugs on a night out. You're not downtrodden working class heroes. You're middle class degenerates.

Yes and yes. The grandstanding is real.

 

[bimble]

Pressure to rejoin the EU will only grow if Brexit is not seen to deliver
"We have seen all the downsides and none of the potential benefits. . Brexit has become an article of faith that brooks no apostasy, whatever the damage that may be inflicted on the country by rigid adherence.."

The Telegraph, of all places, publishing this sort of take has got to be a sign of things shifting.

 

[ska invita]

amusing article that.
i wonder what someone has to do to "help to make it work"?

 

[bimble]

“Make brexit work” in those exact words is what all politicians keep promising to do but for how many years longer they’ll feel obligated to keep saying it idk.

 

[inva]

Don't ask me to elaborate.

Better off deleting it tbh.

 

[ska invita]

“Make brexit work” in those exact words is what all politicians keep promising to do but for how many years longer they’ll feel obligated to keep saying it idk.

if we get a Republican & Tory leadership synchronised in the US and UK we'll start to see it really work

 

[Pickman's model]

if we get a Republican & Tory leadership synchronised in the US and UK we'll start to see it really work

You say that. But you might see Ireland intrude as an obstacle between the two governments, the United States being a guarantor of the gfa

 

[Yossarian]

“Make brexit work” in those exact words is what all politicians keep promising to do but for how many years longer they’ll feel obligated to keep saying it idk.

I think it'll be "make Brexit work" - or at least "verb Brexit verb" - through the next election at least. In the one after that, when there will be people voting who were four or five years old at the time of the referendum, the conversation might be different.

 

[philosophical]

Those who voted remain are not obliged to help leave to work.
Those who voted remain are at liberty to point out or highlight the problems created, and the bad things that have arisen as a result of the vote to leave.
Isn’t it patronising to assume that leave voters didn’t know what they were voting for?
I assume they knew, and they now have to solve all the problems they have created, and they can have first dibs at all the benefits and great things they have invited on for all I care.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think it'll be "make Brexit work" - or at least "verb Brexit verb" - through the next election at least. In the one after that, when there will be people voting who were four or five years old at the time of the referendum, the conversation might be different.

You think the next parliament will last five years?

 

[bimble]

I think it'll be "make Brexit work" - or at least "verb Brexit verb" - through the next election at least. In the one after that, when there will be people voting who were four or five years old at the time of the referendum, the conversation might be different.

Probably.
Trying to think of anything else that people regularly claim that they are trying to “make … work”, and all I can think of is doomed marriages or broken electrical appliances, nothing that lasts very long.

 

[brogdale]

amusing article that.
i wonder what someone has to do to "help to make it work"?
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That "make it work" bollocks from the Telegraph feels of a piece with advice to workers that they shouldn't expect pay rises/strike because it's against the "national interest". It also singularly fails to acknowledge that RW anti-Common-market pressure groups were actively campaigning against the trade bloc throughout the 47 years of UK membership and for 12 years before the UK's accession to the EEC.

 

[bimble]

It’s a weird situation where all of them (sunak starmer) go on about how they are determined to ‘make brexit work’ which every time they say it is obviously an acknowledgment that they do not think brexit is working. But of course they would never dream of admitting that apart from when they constantly do. Funny country.

 

[ska invita]

You say that. But you might see Ireland intrude as an obstacle between the two governments, the United States being a guarantor of the gfa

No point overly speculating, but the big Brexit dividend that hasn't happened was Liam Foxs US trade deal which Trump and Johnson would've persued with gusto. They will definitely try again when the opportunity comes up

 

[Pickman's model]

No point overly speculating, but the big Brexit dividend that hasn't happened was Liam Foxs US trade deal which Trump and Johnson would've persued with gusto. They will definitely try again when the opportunity comes up

You'll no doubt recall Pelosi said how important Ireland was to that discussion