A thank you to Brexiteers.

[bimble]

How long before the democratic thing to do would be to have another vote on it. What when the polls get to 80% saying they think brexit was a mistake is the overwhelming 52% from 2016 sacred for ever and ever?

 

[TopCat]

blah blah blah

How long before the democratic thing to do would be to have another vote on it. What when the polls get to 80% saying they think brexit was a mistake.

If remain had won you lot would have said never another vote. Cast in stone it would have been.

 

[bimble]

If remain had won you lot would have said never another vote. Cast in stone it would have been.

We had a vote back in the 70s didnt we, and it was 67% wanting to be part of the Eu.
Bunch of anti-democratic moaners mostly members of the conservative party just wouldn't let it lie.

 

[TopCat]

We had a vote back in the 70s didnt we, and it was 67% wanting to be part of the Eu.
Bunch of anti democratic moaners wouldn't let it lie.

It's the one good point you have made in months.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

We had a vote back in the 70s didnt we, and it was 67% wanting to be part of the Eu.
Bunch of anti democratic moaners wouldn't let it lie.

I’m with you Bimble. We should vote every 40 years or so on membership. If the EU still exists in 2056 we should have a vote then

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I’m with you Bimble. We should vote every 40 years or so on membership. If the EU still exists in 2056 we should have a vote then

Added bonus, think how long this thread will be by then…

 

[JimW]

Ireland's second vote on the Lisbon treaty had a much quicker turnaround, nothing says democracy like keeping voting until we get the answer we want.

 

[bimble]

17.4 million seems to be the magic number. in 2016 it was 17,410,742 leave and 16,141,241 remain, back in 1975 it went like this, pointless observation but odd.

 

[TopCat]

Ireland's second vote on the Lisbon treaty had a much quicker turnaround, nothing says democracy like keeping voting until we get the answer we want.

The EU took democracy and wiped it's arse on it.

 

[ruffneck23]

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[bimble]

But seriously, how long do we have to "respect" a result from a 52 48 referendum in 2016?
Is it really democratic to keep respecting it for a generation or two even if polls carry on showing a large & growing majority of currently-alive people think that it was a mistake?

 

[TopCat]

But seriously, how long do we have to "respect" a result from a 52 48 referendum in 2016?
Is it really democratic to keep respecting it for a generation or two even if polls carry on showing a large & growing majority of currently-alive people think that it was a mistake?

Well the route to changing things is to get a mainstream party to adopt re-joining and support them to win a general election with a big majority. The Lib Dems embraced this. Didn't do so well. I suspect though that Labour will get pushed into this position by Liberals (who give not a fuck for working class people) with the result being more Tory wins.

 

[bimble]

Well the route to changing things is to get a mainstream party to adopt re-joining and support them to win a general election with a big majority. The Lib Dems embraced this. Didn't do so well. I suspect though that Labour will get pushed into this position by Liberals (who give not a fuck for working class people) with the result being more Tory wins.

Thats not what happened this time though is it. Maybe there'll just be something like a rejoin version of ukip which which will eventually get enough votes that it scares whoever is in power into adopting all its aims in order to neutralise the threat, just like the tories ended up doing with ukip.

 

[bimble]

early 90s Ukip started, and they are proud of it. So it took them 20 years to gain maximum influence which seems about right, but a rejoin party would probably have better graphic designers.

 

[The39thStep]

Cue the rejaimers on here for the next ten years hopefully looking into the distance asking “is this our cab? “

 

[bimble]

the rejaimers

this doesn't work.

 

[The39thStep]

this doesnt work.

Be patient, could be a go-er ?

 

[bimble]

It'll probably be called something crappy to do with a star, the rejoin party. It will be not much better than ukip was but will probably have more diverse funding streams.

 

[JimW]

Careful, smack of 5 Star in Italy

 

[bimble]

The ERG is losing support (fewer MPs happy to give them our money than before).
That is probably a little sign of where the wind's blowing for all the noise they still make.

European Research Group Loses Two-Thirds of its Paid-Up Members – Byline Times

The hard-Brexit lobbying group, which produces research paid for by taxpayer-funded expenses, appears to be losing support

bylinetimes.com

 

[Artaxerxes]

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early 90s Ukip started, and they are proud of it. So it took them 20 years to gain maximum influence which seems about right, but a rejoin party would probably have better graphic designers.

Doubt.

 

[gosub]

But seriously, how long do we have to "respect" a result from a 52 48 referendum in 2016?
Is it really democratic to keep respecting it for a generation or two even if polls carry on showing a large & growing majority of currently-alive people think that it was a mistake?

I think the idea of respecting the result sailed ages ago.
But we've only had two of the four horseman so far so loads more stuff to come where the important thing that isn't is being in the EU

 

[Serge Forward]

I hate avocados.

Try them with oil and vinegar dressing. They're much better.

 

[The39thStep]

Chester by election does indeed have a rejoin candidate . Perhaps this will be the spark

Local Chester resident & voter Peter Forster-Dean welcomed the Rejoin EU Party’s presence in the by-election:
“This election is a chance for Chester to change the direction of British politics."

Election 22: Richard Hewison of the Rejoin EU party

1.Tell us about yourself and why you’re standingMy name is Richard Hewison and whilst I am not a professional politician, I am someone who believes passionately in maximising personal freedom…

thechesterblog.com

 

[Karl Masks]

Well the route to changing things is to get a mainstream party to adopt re-joining and support them to win a general election with a big majority. The Lib Dems embraced this. Didn't do so well. I suspect though that Labour will get pushed into this position by Liberals (who give not a fuck for working class people) with the result being more Tory wins.

whereas brexiteers give all the damns about working class people, by trashing the economy and putting us under the bootheel of utter maniacs. Well done

 

[ouirdeaux]

Hey, we've got all that sovereignty, remember?

 

[Chz]

The people almost entirely ignored, of course, were the millions of working-class permanent residents from EU countries and beyond who didn't get a say - there would no doubt have been many more of them voting if the cost of applying for citizenship wasn't an exorbitant £1,330 per adult and £1,012 per child.

Whilst that is the main reason thst I'm not a UK citizen, I got to vote anyway because Commonwealthers are special somehow. (I think that's inane, but I'm not going to complain too loudly about it!) Btw, it costs a lot more than that in terms of time, effort and possible legal fees. I can't justify it for something that essentially grants me no benefits (since I can vote). Other countries might encourage their migrants to become citizens... My son is the only one in the house with a British passport.

 

[MrCurry]

Truly bonkers how much U.K. citizenship applications cost. My Swedish citizenship cost me 1,500kr last year - about £120..

 

[bimble]

i had no idea it cost that much to be British. Becoming a slovakian was a lot of paperwork but i think about £200 in the end including the passport.

 

[Tanya1982]

Try them with oil and vinegar dressing. They're much better.

I've tried them in various formats over the course of my life, prepared in diverse ways in many countries where they're a commonplace ingredient or standalone. I don't like them. I'm not eating them wrongly, I just don't like them.