brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I like avocados, shop anywhere I can find yellow reduction labels and didn't bother voting in the tory referendum; I reckon we must representing statistical outliers or summat!
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
by better do you mean more drivelly?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Not all Remain voters are pious and irritable middle class liberals who shop at Waitrose. But all pious and irritable middle class liberals who shop at Waitrose voted remain.
Surely we can all agree with that?
bimble
floofy
nope! My next door neighbours fit that description perfectly, and they were leave.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I’ve met loads of sound working class people who voted remain. But, I’ve never met a middle class liberal who voted out.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
If you bang on at them like you do here they might have voted out just to annoy you rather than as a matter of conviction, so I’m not allowing that one.
bimble
floofy
You should meet the yoga teachers next door. I think there must be quite a few just like them, and plenty round here.
They thought that they'd be insulated from any potential downsides that's the thing, cushioned by their secure little lives.
Appetite for risk & willingness to dismiss "project fear" was to some extent related to how well insulated people felt, so whilst some of leave was definitely 'it cant get any worse for me so fuck it / let’s try something different’, some of it was 'i'm fine anything that goes badly with it can't possibly hurt me'.
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
the idea that leave and remain was driven by, or defined by class is total and utter bollocks. As has been pointed out - it was defined by how old people were more than anything else - followed by home ownership and level of education. Older, white working class people from poorer northern towns and hadn't been to university ended up being help up as representative of "typical leave voter" - ignoring everybody else. Younger people overwhelmingly voted remain - it was there futures that were being fucked over, whilst retired people were insulated and could indulge their grudges/xenophobia/romantic nationalism/ delusional ultra-leftism.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Much as I'd like to agree with that, there was a clear socio-economic trend to the binary vote. We've had this posted many times before but it bears repetition:
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The devil is in the detail, though. A majority of under-25s voted remain across the class spectrum. And a majority of over-65s voted leave across the spectrum. And of course, a higher percentage of over-65s vote. Plus the class structure of the vote differed markedly in different parts of the country. The w/c leave vote in much of northern England was real enough. But so was the w/c remain vote in London, Liverpool and Manchester.
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Accepted that the cross-breaks would add nuance, but to deny the basic pattern is clearly wrong.
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
The people almost entirely ignored, of course, were the millions of working-class permanent residents from EU countries and beyond who didn't get a say - there would no doubt have been many more of them voting if the cost of applying for citizenship wasn't an exorbitant £1,330 per adult and £1,012 per child.
bimble
floofy
i just enjoyed this, someone over at Conservative Home has looked at the evidence and knows the game is up. "The fight for Brexit is on again and time is running out."
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I agree that it shouldn't be denied. However, the difference in age make-up of those class groups is also a factor. Some methods of defining class produce marked bias by age. For example, this paper's definitions, the 'traditional working class' in the UK has an average age of 65. So I'd want to see how the classes were defined in the above. I suspect age bias.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And no reason to apply for it before Brexit. 3 million people, many of them resident here for decades. No vote.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Good to see a remainer call it as they see it. Let’s replace the trashy Untermensch with hard working plucky migrants who can serve us our lattes eh!
'Meet the Brexit Britons' - no thank you.
Is that how you see the Europeans that live here, as people that work in coffee shops?
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
So you think the elites want ... a great replacement?
bimble
floofy
Replace is an interesting choice there, why would you go for that do you think immigrants were making our homegrown untermenschen disappear or something?
Nobody drinks lattes anymore though.
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
"They want to replace us with migrants who can serve them their lattes" could be straight from the mouth of Tucker Carlson, ffs.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Its less now about who voted what in 2016. The anti democratic rump of people still moaning about Brexit are much more middle class and richer than those who voted remain in 2016. It's an exercise in self entitled arrogance by a small minority, many of whom absolutely adore Waitrose and totally loathe chippy, lazy working class people. The mask is off and it's an ugly face.
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