barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
enemy of socialism
a marxist history of the world- counterfire
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Build SOCIALISM, you swines!
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Will you all please stop rubbishing socialism.
Socialism just called and is very upset; it said it's going to have spend ages and ages explaining to the working class why it isn't rubbish.
Thank you - Louis MacNeice
Socialism just called and is very upset; it said it's going to have spend ages and ages explaining to the working class why it isn't rubbish.
Thank you - Louis MacNeice
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
you quoted, then distorted, as you usually do.I can't believe you do this continually, unintentionally.
I've never known you make a point, sneer yes. So what is your point I have missed?
and yet, looking purely at the perspective of international affairs he came to a conclusion which was not dissimilar from the 'gargantuan' work butchers suggested reading, that it was an imperialist war from which Germany sort to get a share of the imperialist advantage.
the imperialist war analysis, is a reasonable analysis, not the only analysis, but reasonable one. He made this point in a succinct fashion.
But feel free to do what you do best.
I may have remembered this wrongly. Quite possible, can't be arsed to hunt down the thread. But didn't you. "Louis" on some thread some time ago, actually knock up some ideas for a "21st century" set of progressive objectives, to replace all that boring olde socialist stuff ? I think you did. Didn't some posters say how groovy it was, and they wanted it for an inspirational wall poster ? If so.. you , if my memory is correct, at least had a go at some "alternative narrative". It was actually banal a-historical stuff that would have embarrassed a 14 year old "liberal studies" class trying to put together a "manifesto to sort out all the world's troubles... by everyone just being very, very, nice and considerate to each other"... but hey.. it was a lot more forthcoming than anything put forward by the likes of Butchers, Panda, and their loose claque of nitpickers, misrepresenters of other peoples'arguments, and general "aren't we just sooooo clever" Trolls.
I think we can safely take it that, when challenged by me, Resistence MP3, or anyone else over the years to "put up (some sort of coherent radical alternative narrative or analysis or solution to the capitalist crisis) or shut up", the usual empty nitpicking faction (possibly with the exception of "Louis") , will continue to refuse to put their ideas (if any) "above the parapet" for criticism/review by Urban posters. On the basisapparently that the small space available on Urban (infinite surely ?) just aint enough to portray the complexity and subtlety of their grand analysis ? Soooo, lazy, soooooo, cowardly...soooooooo dishonest. Instead , when challenged or criticised they will continue to behave like the inhabitants of a henhouse which has just had a very rude fox chucked in amongst them !
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and turning unwillingly to post 281...
love detective
there's no love too small
this is rich, as when asked similar you can only point us to failed experiments based in and on 19th century conditions and this liberal and thoroughly non-materialist idea that everything can be solved by just magically rentaghosting ourselves into some idealist/utopian SOCIALISM in the 21st century
when actually pointed towards attempts to develop ideas for pro working class alternatives from a contemporary perspective, you rule these out for some reason because of your sectarian blinkers and then pretend they never existed in the first place so you can continue to roll out the kind of tired ass shite that you talk about above
elbows
Well-Known Member
Arent these points somewhat conflicted? In the first quote you are finding various ways to dismiss criticisms as being nothing more than invalid bitching, misrepresentation or people showing off their intellect. Then at the end you are making fun of people for not being able to handle criticism, or not wanting to be subjected to it.
Its a joke because these concepts together make up a cheap shield that anyone can use to defend their own ego, dismiss valid criticism, and pretend that anyone that disagrees with them does not have a proper stance or analysis of their own.
Perfectly put.
Is it fuck.
Undoubtably some people will have missed post 281. Here it is in all it's glory:
"Ok. Name the books you've read on the second world war from which you derive this bold statement".
I'm so not convinced by your eloquent argument.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i don't know what you hope to achieve by your little intervention, but i think we can safely say that helping establish resistancemp3's bona fides as someone who can tell what is and what is not among the best writing on the second world war is unlikely to figure high on your list of aims.
Any doctrinaire weirdo will do.
Piss off picky.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what's this in aid of? YOU quoted ME, not the other way round. in fact, you quoted me in such a way that if i'd not been looking at this thread i'd have missed it: you didn't use the quote function, you underhand dog. come on now, prove you're not a one trick pony, that you're not a pile of pony, that you can in fact justify your posts.
why did you quote me and what did you hope to achieve?
My only hope, ( a forlorn one), was to stop you derailing a quite interesting thread. Actually, that's always been my hope. Almost from the beginning.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
don't lie, it doesn't become you.
Just piss off then, Picky.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if your aim was to stop me derailing this thread then you wouldn't have cut and pasted my post (incidentally, it's not my post 281 in 'all it's glory' because you've missed out what i quoted from rmp3 - another of your lies). you'd have used the quote function: or you wouldn't have bothered. because you've been warned, as have i, that we shouldn't engage with each other. i won't descend to your abysmal depths and tell you 'fuck off you old cunt': you're not worth it.
Yeah, yeah.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
^ this serves to keep the thread on topick how?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
^ this serves to keep the thread on topick how?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
^ this serves to keep the thread on topick how?
discokermit
Well-Known Member
i don't believe ayatollah is real. not that there aren't people like him in the swp, there are, just something doesn't add up.
either that or he's a cunt.
either that or he's a cunt.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
People seem to know him on the BTF thread.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
doesn't stop him being an objectionable and less than valuable member of society.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Hmm. Well I can't really have an objective view on that, so far.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
nor do i but i don't let it bother me.
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