That’s not the thread I was taking about AFAIR but I’m not massively bothered either way. Just confirming krtek’s post that there was a discussion and my personal reaction to that discussion. Everyone else can keep on doing whatever they want, I don’t make the rules.
...women feel could be in part to how the male colleagues may look at them, in relation to the original question in this thread? The men seeing feminism as a bad thing... if workplaces are still utilizing the "old boys network", it's understandable to reason that perhaps women can be seen as a...
I haven't seen it, and probably won't any time soon, but my interest in it was definitely increased by learning it was an Alasdair Gray adaptation, cos I've never got around to reading him either but am vaguely aware I should one day. And from my vague understanding of Gray his work does sound a...
Or rap/hip hop or house music or the darker end of landfill indie but definitely not Oasis. Oasis were absolutely the choice of conformists, precisely as you describe: petit bourgeois 'lads' dressing up and acting like they thought people in Manchester did. Embarrassing.
Talking of prodding...
totally fair
i think the bit i liked most about the post was the importance of radio and how rare actually owning a physical copy of music was and im conscious of how lucky ive been in my life to have access to brilliant radio shows . the oasis bit is basically irrelevant to me, but seemed like...
...way of trying to make sense of the patriarchy. (Maybe if it were called something else people would be more willing to discuss it?)
Feminism is about more than equality between the sexes. It sees the patriarchy and wants to kick it in the shins. But no wonder people are scared of it and want...
Good honest helpful post.
So how did you make those initial steps? What got you to the point of not giving feminism much thought to recognition and then taking some steps to deal with your own stuff?
That's explicitly the opposite of what intersectionality was supposed to be, no? The whole point of its conception was that feminism tended to centre the concerns of wealthy white women over others.
It does seem to be part of a process many men go through as they take an interest in feminism.
Starting out giving no thought to feminism, maybe even thinking it's just women moaning, there comes a recognition that maybe there is something to it. But having recognised that, they aren't yet...
...gig run by some squatters to get going, which felt very appropriate.
Appreciated the stress on the importance and diversity of second-wave feminism, which is one of those things that often gets a bit caricatured in retrospect. The last two chapters, which were less analysis and more heavy...
...not identical with the oppression of children. Certainly the vulgar biological males versus biological females gender critical version of feminism misses the place of children completely, and some versions now don't include any critique of the family but just focus on "sex based rights". I...
I think men should read Dworkin and Solanas as they do have an uncompromising perspective which is worth checking out. Part of the process has to be listening to women, after all.
The main feminst book by a man that comes to mind for me is John Stoltenberg's Refusing to be a man: essasys on sex...
...in varying forms, and that's a factor largely beyond their direct control. Certainly (well, according to my mum anyway), in the second-wave-feminism period of the 60s/70s there were plenty of men who started to champion feminism because they thought it just meant a form of sexual liberation...
...because Meloni's win is "a step forward for women."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/02/hillary-clinton-under-fire-supportive-remarks-far-right-pm-contender-italy
https://jacobin.com/2022/09/hillary-clinton-women-far-right-italy-giorgia-meloni-feminism
Identity politics eh :rolleyes:
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