Is the human rights act doing more harm to British justice and the British ecconomy,than it benefits us. As one of the most civilised countries in the world I think we are more than capable of having our own constitution or bill of rights. The human rights act not only undermines our own justice system, but has created a compensation culture that is costing the tax payer an absolute fortune in legal aid for both nationals & immigrants. People are constantly seeing the human rights of criminals & terrorists put before the victims of crime, & find the illogicality of it hard to understand as it so often flies in the face of common sense. These laws are made by people we don't know, didn't elect, & often have no experience in law. Furthermore they often come from countries who's human rights are questionable.
The human rights act
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Is the human rights act doing more harm to British justice and the British ecconomy,than it benefits us. As one of the most civilised countries in the world I think we are more than capable of having our own constitution or bill of rights. The human rights act not only undermines our own justice system, but has created a compensation culture that is costing the tax payer an absolute fortune in legal aid for both nationals & immigrants. People are constantly seeing the human rights of criminals & terrorists put before the victims of crime, & find the illogicality of it hard to understand as it so often flies in the face of common sense. These laws are made by people we don't know, didn't elect, & often have no experience in law. Furthermore they often come from countries who's human rights are questionable.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Just shut up. Posting the same unreadable wll o' text doesn't make it any more worth pursuing.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Just banning the twat might be easier.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Fuck off you Nigel Farage-felching cuntbubble.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
"the human rights act", the annoyance du jour of mentalists
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
OK, one sentence at a time:
Is the human rights act doing more harm to British justice and the British ecconomy,than it benefits us - no, it benefits us more.
As one of the most civilised countries in the world I think we are more than capable of having our own constitution or bill of rights. - well we hadn't had one written in the previous 1000+ years of recognisable English polity, so your statement is wrong.
The human rights act not only undermines our own justice system, - no it doesn't. It in fact formalises several conventions that already existed in UK case law & precendence. Far from undermining UK justice, it actually strengthens a lot of things.
but has created a compensation culture that is costing the tax payer an absolute fortune in legal aid for both nationals & immigrants - that culture existed prior to the UK signing the EHCR, for a variety of different socioeconomic reasons that you're not going to understand. Also, legal aid is pretty much impossible to get for anything these days.
People are constantly seeing the human rights of criminals & terrorists put before the victims of crime, & find the illogicality of it hard to understand as it so often flies in the face of common sense - no, they are constantly seeing the reporting of those cases, against other cases judged under the EHCR. This point also undermines your earlier statement about the civilisational development of the British isles - you're talking about the differences between the concept of 'natural' justice, universal human rights and 'common sense' (the latter being neither common, nor sense of any kind)
These laws are made by people we don't know, didn't elect, & often have no experience in law. Furthermore they often come from countries who's human rights are questionable. - Actually, the person most responsible for the EHCR, as well as the UNCHR & US constitution, was an Englishman by the name of Thomas Paine. Perhaps you should read his short book 'The Rights Of Man' before talking more.
Is the human rights act doing more harm to British justice and the British ecconomy,than it benefits us - no, it benefits us more.
As one of the most civilised countries in the world I think we are more than capable of having our own constitution or bill of rights. - well we hadn't had one written in the previous 1000+ years of recognisable English polity, so your statement is wrong.
The human rights act not only undermines our own justice system, - no it doesn't. It in fact formalises several conventions that already existed in UK case law & precendence. Far from undermining UK justice, it actually strengthens a lot of things.
but has created a compensation culture that is costing the tax payer an absolute fortune in legal aid for both nationals & immigrants - that culture existed prior to the UK signing the EHCR, for a variety of different socioeconomic reasons that you're not going to understand. Also, legal aid is pretty much impossible to get for anything these days.
People are constantly seeing the human rights of criminals & terrorists put before the victims of crime, & find the illogicality of it hard to understand as it so often flies in the face of common sense - no, they are constantly seeing the reporting of those cases, against other cases judged under the EHCR. This point also undermines your earlier statement about the civilisational development of the British isles - you're talking about the differences between the concept of 'natural' justice, universal human rights and 'common sense' (the latter being neither common, nor sense of any kind)
These laws are made by people we don't know, didn't elect, & often have no experience in law. Furthermore they often come from countries who's human rights are questionable. - Actually, the person most responsible for the EHCR, as well as the UNCHR & US constitution, was an Englishman by the name of Thomas Paine. Perhaps you should read his short book 'The Rights Of Man' before talking more.
Steel Icarus
we move
Aye. The eejit doesn't respond to questions or pleas for evidence. It's C&P bollocks, innit. Nowt behind it other than the intention to inflame. Can this little bitch, mods.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
ohhh burn
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Hague, "Human rights are key to our foreign policy"
Hannan and his 'libertarian chums, "Withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights and abolish the Equality and Human Rights Commission"
Consistency? Fuck off!
Hannan and his 'libertarian chums, "Withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights and abolish the Equality and Human Rights Commission"
Consistency? Fuck off!
gosub
~#
K-S we do have a bill of rights 1689, was one of the victories of the civil war, that is the core of the problem. 1689 Bill of Rights puts Parliament at the core of deciding the law. EHR puts European Judges, the proposed British Bill of Rights that Tories are talking would only appease xenophobes, as while it would still be unlected Judges dictating, they would be British Judges. You would better address the problem by making the Judges publically elcted, which isn't appartently an option. Pity, elected judges is probably the only way to get rid of statuartory sentencing guidelines, that are probably the main cause of legal outrages these days. The limitations to take migiation into account is I think sore missed. Perhaps the Judges and Politicans could do a trade, so we get accountable people setting laws, and judges actually judging (case by case).
We also have a constitution, at the centre of it is : NO PARLIAMENT MAY BIND ITS SUCCESSOR. Any piece of paper you want future politicians to abide by, would if set in concrete, be UNCONSTITUTIONAL
We also have a constitution, at the centre of it is : NO PARLIAMENT MAY BIND ITS SUCCESSOR. Any piece of paper you want future politicians to abide by, would if set in concrete, be UNCONSTITUTIONAL
jeff_leigh
What happened to Dubversion ?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Question marks - a filthy European invention. Sitting there being all curly and expressing weak-spiritedness and lack of purpose. Probably French.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Hannan used to be on the lunatic fringe of the tory party, now the leadership have adopted most of his policies.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
The HRA gives further effect to the European Convention of Human Rights by allowing it to be taken into account in the UK Courts.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
british trolls for british boards!!!
weltweit
Well-Known Member
aha, ta.
For flicky, Farage on last weeks Question Time was anti ECHR, but Hesseltine was pro it.
TBF though, such annoyance, indeed 'outrage'
does make them very easy to spot. Such types very frequently also froth about political correctness and Elf and Safety too. Spouting about all three an instant dead giveaway for the ignorance, brainwashedness and stupidity of a lunatic-fringer .... 
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