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North Africa and the middle east: just the US Government re-arranging their puppets?

Louis MacNeice

Autumn Journalist
On the Libya thread the opinion was posted that what we are seeing is in the region is 'just the US Government re-arranging their puppets'.

My take is that it is currently much more complicated than that; although the US will undoubtedly work hard to protect and promote it's interests in the region.

What do you think?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
On the Libya thread the opinion was posted that what we are seeing is in the region is 'just the US Government re-arranging their puppets'.

That opinion was falsley labelled as mine. It wasn't. Louis is a just a bog standard full of shite hack.

That statement was just an opinion that another poster had heard from a mate of his. I don't think that warrants this ego wanking.
 
I wrote this in several parts for the Egypt thread a while ago but I think it is better placed here. It's a bit long but there you go

The onion analogy. The dialectics of the Egyptian revolution. part 1

I have been thinking the past few days about the significance of Mubarak's removal and his replacement by a military government.
In particular the claim that the fall of Mubarak is merely window dressing and means nothing of substance has changed. Merely the replacement of one dictator with another.

This view however, is a a-historical and static view of the Egyptian revolution, an event which can only be understood, not as an event but as an ongoing and fluid PROCESS.

Think of the Egyptian state as an onion, an entity of many layers, and wrapped around itself to protect and pursue and legitimise its interests. Every layer serves a multiple purpose, it plays its role in protecting the onion as a whole, it plays the part of projecting its own power, and fundamentally it serves to protect the layer beneath from being exposed.

What we are witnessing is the stripping away of several of those layers and in the process the revealing of previously hidden layers beneath.

What do those layers consist of and why are they important

The first is the fiction of civilian government and in particular the presidency. This layer serves the dual purpose of first focussing the anger of the masses on an INDIVIDUAL rather than a regime. Mubarak must go, and in doing so serves to protect and to HIDE the multiple layers beneath. The Egyptian state knows that if popular anger grows enough they can sacrifice that layer, without sacrificing the whole onion. But they resist and they fight precisely because peeling back this layer reveals the fresh skin beneath. The layers below are no longer protected, they stand naked and exposed and are now directly answerable to the peoples wrath.

The layer below consists of the civil security apparatus and this serves the purpose of focussing anger on the civilian apparatus and therefore protecting both the layers representing civilian institutional apparatus and crucially the military beneath. We saw this very clearly when the military appeared on the streets after the defeat of the police and were cheered. As the masses confront the state it is quickly exposed. It directly confronts the masses and attempts to crush the movement as the regime desperately attempts to prevent the first layer from being peeled back. (we could argue in fact that the apparatus of civilian control is in fact the first layer, either way it falls in the process of the uprising to remove the first) It is peeled back , the police are defeated, and it falls in the process of peeling back the the first. In doing so it is exposing the next layer.

The next layer constitutes the whole fiction of constitutional and institutional rule, the constitution, the executive and parliamentary branches, the judiciary, the media, the whole fiction of civilian rule. This layer is still intact, though damaged. On defeating the police the masses burnt down the NDP offices and other symbols of NDP rule but it now faces the real of danger of peeling away entirely which explains the focus on constitutional niceties etc and the fight to peel it back is crucial because below it is the real fruit of the onion, the raw power of the military. Military rule means the desperate attempt to prevent the layer representing the entire regime from peeling away.

The first and second falls, the third is under attack and then the next is exposed, The military appear on the streets and move to protect the burning remnants of the layer above. They are now exposed. They are forced to allow the layers above to fall, they are now directly answerable to the peoples demands. No longer can they hide in the shadows, no longer stand back as the stones fly or the clubs fall.. They take power, the pressure of the revolution has destroyed the fictions that previously protected and cushioned their power from being directly answerable to the masses. Now there is nothing betweeen them and the peoples attempts to bring down the whole regime.They are now directly responsible to the masses. It is no longer the clubs of the civil security that break heads it is their bayonets and tanks. They are now naked. The demands of the revolution are now directed not at Mubarak, not at the police, not at the TV stations or the newspapers, not at the NDP or parliament or concerned with constitutional tinkering. The demands of the masses are now directed at them. And these are demands they simply cannot meet.

Every concession has been dragged from them. The skins of the onion have been peeled away one by one, no, not peeled, torn away at the cost of lives and bloodand yet still the demands that caused this revolution are not met. The fiction so carefully laid of "the army and people are one" is now being tested. The military can't meet those demands. The fire of the revolution is now stripping away this fiction. Round two will see a strengthened mass movement and a weakened state with no more onion skins to sacrifice.

At the core, protected by the military (indeed in many cases consisting of the military) is the vast business and economic interests served by the regime. The military's huge ownership of factories and land, the billionaire business interests whose wealth and power they owe to the regime. Now they hide behind soldiers with bayonets and tanks and guns, peering nervously over their shoulders directly into the eyes of their class enemy. Without the military they are now naked and defenceless before the people and a social revolution becomes a possibility as the movement becomes a movement of a class aware of itself, in itself, aware of its enemy and aware of its own power to sweep them into the dustbin of history.

This is why Mubarak's fall is a victory, not a total victory of course, the onion is still intact though weakened and minus its many layers, but the victory is in the successful stripping away of the onions skin, layer by layer and the exposing of the layers beneath

To consume the whole onion however the masses need the weapons to replace it. This is the realm of social revolution and to tear away the next layer there is a desperate need for leadership. This is the task facing the movement now, to grow from a protest movement to a movement capable of taking power.
 
I don't think that warrants this ego wanking.

If it keeps this shite off the Libya thread then Im all for it.

If theres ever an uprising in the UK I dont think I'll be wasting my time coming to U75, I was better off all alone talking to myself on the Libya thread on Saturday, and I dont care who started it, too few of you are capable of finishing it.
 
Part 2
I think it is in this concept of events as process, that marxist analysis serves our understanding of the Egyptian revolution best. To marxists an event is not simply an event, it is a moment in a historical process and it is only by seeing historical events as acts in a continuous fluid process that we can understand their meaning.

Applying this to my previous analogy of an onion skin we see things as fluid, the layers that have been stripped away are not static or dead. The defeats inflicted on the regime are not permanent or irreplacable, on the contrary, the layers below are fighting a rearguard action not only to defend themselves but to actively replace those layers. Every action of the military is both an attempt to defend against further collapse and an attempt to restore that which was lost. and the degree to which they are successful is dependant on the power of the masses to resist and to further articulate its own demands. A revolution like an onion is a living thing, a fluid stream of movement and change of victory and defeat and consolidation and regroupment. This is the point, historical events are NEVER static and to view them as such is to view history through the ideological lens of the enemy

Thus when we see Mubarak fall and see the military take power. When we answer "is that it? When we scoff and say "changing deck chairs" we are using the ideological weapons of those who wish "this to be it" or who wish this to be about "merely changing deck chairs" and we are disarming ourselves of the analytical tools to see these events for what they truly are. As process and what is a process? Something that comes from somewhere and something that leads somewhere and where these processes lead are dependant on the actions of the masses and the power struggle between them and the state. What they never are is static or finished or over. There is no static event there is only the balance of power and that balance is in motion, this is always the case if not always apparent . What a revolution does is make this process clear to see

The attempts of the military to force the remnants of Mubaraks regime onto a demobilising populace and to return the police to the streets, to empty Tahrir and to appeal to the workers to return to work should be seen in this context, as should the attempts by western governments to declare the revolution over, to castrate the movements legacy by declaring it a victory for "peaceful protest" and the call for the population to trust the miltiary.

Likewise the call for the defence of Tahrir, the reiteration of the unanswered demands of the labour movement, the call for release of political activists, the demand for prosecutions of state forces etc should be seen as counter weights to each other, the attempted increase in the power of one side constantly undermining the power of the other.


To expand the analogy a little. we can see power as a liquid on a balancing kitchen scale, the movement of power towards one end of the scale leads to an incremental decrease in the power at the other and makes resistance to its movement and attempts to counter balance all the harder. Like a liquid it is constantly shifting and moving, one moment strengthening one side, the next the other but never static, never immovable and never simply an event outside of its place in a historical process. To understand it we need to ask ourselves not only what an event is but where it came from and where it is going. By seeing historical events in this way we see the true meaning of events. The seeming resolution of one crisis (such as the overthrow of Mubarak) leads to possibilities that were previously not available. The success or failure of the regime to resist the demands of the movement in turn create for it possibilities for strengthening itself that were not previously available to itself or to regain that which was lost.

It is only by seeing history as process, a process of emerging and becoming, of shifting and constant movement and flux. that we can see the real meaning of these events. To peer through the seemingly static and solid and to see the fluid and ever shifting processes bubbling away under the surface, occasionally bursting into the light of day as the actions of the masses make the process of history visible on the world stage.
 
That opinion was falsley labelled as mine. It wasn't. Louis is a just a bog standard full of shite hack.

That statement was just an opinion that another poster had heard from a mate of his. I don't think that warrants this ego wanking.

Stop fibbing Dr, I never said it was your opinion. I did point out why it was wrong; something you seem strangely unable to do...what was that you were saying about 'ego wanking'?

Louis MacNeice
 
Thanks for the re-posting dylans; I don't agree with it all, but it does make a good case for erring on the side of complexity rather than the singular and simplistic it's all down to the USA.

Louis MacNeice
 
Are we going to discuss this question or not? I think Louis raises a good point that is worth discussing and I am getting tired of this childish derail shit too. So let's discuss the question or let's not.
 
We can apply this concept of revolution as process to the wave of revolts that are tearing across north Africa. Most obviously in the domino effect of one successful uprising inspiring the next etc but also in other ways.

First it is true that inspiring though these uprisings have been neither Egypt or Tunisia have resulted in regime change, rather they have stripped away layers of the old regimes and forced the militaries to bend to popular demands, a process that is still fluid and whose end results are not yet apparent. In Libya however this may be about to change. For in Libya we are witnessing what looks like total regime change. Such a result will have a massive effect. First in inspiring further revolts across North Africa and perhaps into sub saharan Africa where conditions are similar (long standing dictators, the effects of neo liberalism- rising food prices etc, young educated populations with fading prospects, poverty and corruption etc) .

Secondly, this is not solely a linear process, a succesful regime change in Libya will in turn fall back onto those countries where newly liberated and emboldened populations are struggling with damaged regimes desperately on the back foot. In Egypt we have a military regime now facing a population that has tasted its own power and much of which is still pressing its demands. In Tunisia we are seeing the desperate remnants of the Ben Ali regime struggling to save their skins. Both countries show no sign of a let up of the struggles, on the contrary, in Egypt the strike waves engulfing the country are unprecedented as are public demonstrations and spaces being created for public debate and organisation. This is not something we should dismiss lightly.

To declare that these events are merely arranging puppets or that they are not "real revolutions" is to ignore the ongoing process that is rolling across the region and to ignore the massive role played by ordinary people in shaping their own futures. Across the region, this is an unfolding revolutionary process and it is barely beginning. I would go as far as to say these events are some of the most significant political events of our lifetime
 
Remember that re-arranging the politics of the Arab world has been, quite explicitly, top of the US/UK/Israeli agenda for almost a decade now. The invasion of Iraq was openly presented as the first step in this wider process, which is designed to (a) make Israel permanently secure, and (b) ensure access to oil.

Remember also that Wolfowitz made his name plotting this kind of revolution, the first one being the overthrow of Marcos in the Phillipines.

Grounds for suspicion, I think.
 
What role do you think the US/UK/Israel is playing in all this?

I think the US is desperately trying to limit the damage caused by events outside its control. Manouvring to ensure that regime change doesn't occur and that the mass movements now in motion do not result in damage to their geo-political interests. The degree to which they succeed depends on the degree to which they can stem or hijack or pacify these movements. Personally I think they are fucked. These events will sooner or later engulf the Palestinian territories and offer the only real hope for the Palestinians under occupation. For decades leftists have been criticising the policy of the Palestinian leadership which preferred to put its faith in Arab regimes rather than the masses. These events offer an alternative. Genuine mass support for an end to the occupation.
 
The thing to watch is the policy that the new regimes adopt towards Israel.

Clearly Arab public opinion favors a very hard line. If, as I suspect they will, the new regimes turn out to be less hostile to Israel than the ancien, we can safely say that they are stooges.
 
Remember that re-arranging the politics of the Arab world has been, quite explicitly, top of the US/UK/Israeli agenda for almost a decade now. The invasion of Iraq was openly presented as the first step in this wider process, which is designed to (a) make Israel permanently secure, and (b) ensure access to oil.

Remember also that Wolfowitz made his name plotting this kind of revolution, the first one being the overthrow of Marcos in the Phillipines.

Grounds for suspicion, I think.

The idea that the US or Israel conspired to create these events is absurd. They were perfectly happy with Mubarak for 4 decades. It was the actions of the Egyptian people who acting outside the script, forced events onto them and threatened their interests. Israel was apoplexic and could barely restrain itself from calling for the massacre of Egyptians to save Mubarak. The US was forced to begrudgingly drop Mubarak but not before history was slapping them in the face. The US is terrified by the wave of unrest rolling across North Africa
 
The thing to watch is the policy that the new regimes adopt towards Israel.

Clearly Arab public opinion favors a very hard line. If, as I suspect they will, the new regimes turn out to be less hostile to Israel than the ancien, we can safely say that they are stooges.

Phil you are missing the point. The military regime in Egypt is of course a stooge, it is still in reciept of billions of US aid. The point is however this isn't the entire picture or the end of the process.
 
The idea that the US or Israel conspired to create these events is absurd.

It might be wrong, but it's certainly not absurd. The US/UK/Israel has a very long and successful history of manipulating the politics of the middle east.
 
You don't think they're happy to see the back of Gaddafi?

Actually no. There have been huge efforts made by Western governments in recent years to "reahabilitate" Gaddafi. Most notably by the British Government. It is ironic that for all his previous "revolutionary" rhetoric. It is precisely Gadaffi's recent embrace of neo liberalism and western investment that has led to his downfall.
 
It might be wrong, but it's certainly not absurd. The US/UK/Israel has a very long and successful history of manipulating the politics of the middle east.

Indeed and there is no doubt they are manipulating like mad at the moment. But the manipulation is in trying to stem the depth of these uprisings. But (and again this is the point) they are not the only actors here. The masses have entered the stage of history and they are not necessarily playing according to the script. Which is why the US is shitting itself.
 
Actually no. There have been huge efforts made by Western governments in recent years to "reahabilitate" Gaddafi. Most notably by the British Government. It is ironic that for all his previous "revolutionary" rhetoric. It is precisely Gadaffi's recent embrace of neo liberalism and western investment that has led to his downfall.

Exactly, he has been "rehabilitated" in the eyes of certain parts of the western establishment for a *very* long time.
 
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