Good bust cards?

[DrRingDing]

List your examples of good bust cards.

They're going to be handy in the coming months.

Ta.

 

[editor]

http://www.urban75.org/legal/rights.html

 

[lizzieloo]

http://www.release.org.uk/cart/preview/Bust Card.pdf

 

[love detective]

bit old this one but mostly still relevant - although the title pretty much sums up everything you need to know - 'no comment'

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...vbWFpbnxkZ2ZkaGZoanxneDozZDMyNjA1MzAzZjEyOGZj

 

[toblerone3]

 

[lizzieloo]

Browsing catalogues again?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

All anyone needs to know when nicked is how to say NO COMMENT. Say nowt else.

 

[ska invita]

Supposedly FITWatch site has gone down for "attempting to pervert teh course of justice" as it had some bust card advice up, specially for students.

http://www.fitwatch.org.uk

 

[ska invita]

Supposedly FITWatch site has gone down for "attempting to pervert teh course of justice" as it had some bust card advice up, specially for students.
http://www.fitwatch.org.uk

this was the offending advice
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/8489/studentadvice.jpg

 

[winjer]

http://www.ldmg.org.uk/files/bustcard.pdf

 

[detective-boy]

bit old this one but mostly still relevant - although the title pretty much sums up everything you need to know - 'no comment'

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...vbWFpbnxkZ2ZkaGZoanxneDozZDMyNjA1MzAzZjEyOGZj

The best bit of advice on that one, which is often missed from others (except Urbans own, obviously!) is:

Keep calm and cool when arrested (remember you are playing with the experts now, on their home ground).

Although I'd take issue with the description of the police as "experts" (on average) they certainly know more than you can possibly know from a bit of bust-card self-teach and there are lots of aspects that the bust-card just doesn't have the time / space to go into which may be relevant to the situation too.

One thing that is very unlikely to get you anywhere but in deeper is physically resisting an arrest, etc. to any significant extent. Firstly, it is highly unlikely that if you fight the police will go "Oh, OK then, off you go!" (so it won't work) and secondly it is entirely possible that you will find yourself committing a criminal offence of assault even if you had not done anything wrong prior to your arrest (as you can lawfully be arrested on suspicion of committing an offence) and, in extreme cases, even if your arrest is unlawful (e.g. where the force you use to resist is more than the court consider "reasonable and necessary" in the circumstances).

 

[ska invita]

Just saw on Freedom's site:

Yoda’s Helpful Hints
Published November 15, 2010

Unfortunate it is that heeded my advice many have not! Strong are the Pigs, mind what you learn, save you it can..

Through the Force many things you may see, horses, batons shields, old friends beaten to a pulp.

Photographs, on Facebook put them you should not. Pictures lead to identification, identification leads to arrests, arrest leads to imprisonment.

Your face too ugly it is, mush you must cover, mask you should wear

Throw from the back you should not, on back of the bonce people you will hit. To the dark side they will turn, your snoot they will flatten.

From tall buildings be careful what you drop, in trouble you may land.

Booze leads to the drunk side. Once you have started down the drunk path forever will it dominate your criminal record.

Bust card you should carry, read it you should, it’s wise words you remember.

If arrested you are, silent you should be, for lawyer you must wait, patience you must learn

If Provisions of CJPOA 1994 you have learned and Lord Bingham’s judgment in case of Argent you can recite, implications of adverse inference with lawyer you may discuss. If not big mouth you should shut before fat foot you put in it.

Harry Roberts, our friend he is, but sing about him in cop shop you should not

 

[winjer]

bit old this one but mostly still relevant - although the title pretty much sums up everything you need to know - 'no comment'

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...vbWFpbnxkZ2ZkaGZoanxneDozZDMyNjA1MzAzZjEyOGZj

Currently being revised for a new edition. Paid for by Gloucestershire Police this time, I expect.

 

[detective-boy]

Harry Roberts, our friend he is, but sing about him in cop shop you should not

Spookily I have re-read "No Answer Foxtrot Eleven" (despite my long-standing annoyance with it's title - it should be "Foxtrot One One" not "Eleven" ) this very weekend. It got me to wondering how a crime such as that (for anyone who doesn't know - three plain clothes officers shot dead in a relatively quiet residential street almost immedaitely after pulling a car with three suspects over - they only got as far as checking a licence and starting to take names) would play out in the media and with the public these days ...

 

[smokedout]

Spookily I have re-read "No Answer Foxtrot Eleven" (despite my long-standing annoyance with it's title - it should be "Foxtrot One One" not "Eleven" ) this very weekend. It got me to wondering how a crime such as that (for anyone who doesn't know - three plain clothes officers shot dead in a relatively quiet residential street almost immedaitely after pulling a car with three suspects over - they only got as far as checking a licence and starting to take names) would play out in the media and with the public these days ...

 

[ska invita]

Bust Card for Day of Action on Wednesday 24
http://london.indymedia.org/system/file_upload/2010/11/21/303/bust_card.pdf

.

 

[winjer]

Which includes reference to laws repealed five years ago, doesn't fill me with confidence. (PACE s25)

 

[detective-boy]

Which includes reference to laws repealed five years ago, doesn't fill me with confidence. (PACE s25)

Indeed ...

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

 

[winjer]

New LDMG bustcard in time for this week's protests:
http://www.ldmg.org.uk/files/bustcard_06122010.rtf

(Has the edit post button been thieved?)

 

[Frankie Jack]

Scottish Activists Legal Project

Due to the emergency legislation passing through the Scottish Parliament, which amended Criminal Procedure Act 1995, we have updated the legal guide.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

bit old this one but mostly still relevant - although the title pretty much sums up everything you need to know - 'no comment'

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...vbWFpbnxkZ2ZkaGZoanxneDozZDMyNjA1MzAzZjEyOGZj

That's total bollocks, that is. Going no comment is not always the best advice. You give no comment until you are advised about the specifics of the situation by a qualified solicitor. What if, for example, you have a perfectly good explanation for what the police appear to construe as criminal behaviour? And that bit about not trusting the duty solicitor, that's a bit wonky as well. The duty will generally be pulled from a pool of local defence solicitors who have signed up to be involved in the duty scheme, probably as a good way of meeting first time arrestees and establishing a reationship, and also generating a little legal aid cash. This does not mean that they are in league with the police. Idiotic nonsense.

 

[winjer]

Going no comment is not always the best advice. You give no comment until you are advised about the specifics of the situation by a qualified solicitor. What if, for example, you have a perfectly good explanation for what the police appear to construe as criminal behaviour?

Then a good solicitor might advise you to read a prepared statement, while still advising you to "no comment" the police's questions.

And that bit about not trusting the duty solicitor, that's a bit wonky as well. The duty will generally be pulled from a pool of local defence solicitors who have signed up to be involved in the duty scheme, probably as a good way of meeting first time arrestees and establishing a reationship, and also generating a little legal aid cash. This does not mean that they are in league with the police. Idiotic nonsense.

It's not idiotic at all, it's sound advice based on experience, while some duty solicitors are okay, the majority are shite.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

Then a good solicitor might advise you to read a prepared statement, while still advising you to "no comment" the police's questions.


It's not idiotic at all, it's sound advice based on experience, while some duty solicitors are okay, the majority are shite.

Trust me, perfectly good solicitors won't always tell you to read from a prepared statement. I've been advised by the senior partner in one of the most established firms from my local area to answer all questions on a bogus allegation of assault made against me many years ago, as I would very likely be charged if I didn't. One of the questions prompted an answer from me which showed that the main "witness" was clearly talking total shite (essentially, an injury sustained by him, which I caused whilst in the process of defending myself, could not have been carried out by me unless he was in the process of physically choking me, rather than restraining me as he claimed...), and I was released without charge within 10 minutes. This wouldn't have happened had I simply read from a prepared statement. Coppers don't always just want to convict the person they arrest, you know? They often want to get to the bottom of matters.

I don't believe that anyone who has any sort of experience in spending time inside of police custody believes that duty solicitors are in league with the police. If half the people who believed this had any sort of evidence, they would do very well to report it to whichever body it is that covers criminal defence solicitors - it would be a major breach of ethics, extremely bad for their business, and would most likely see the said solicitor struck off/disbarred/whatever. One needs to trust that the person appointed to provide legal advice will provide the very best - that propaganda serves to undermine said trust and will ultimately only harm ones defence.

 

[detective-boy]

Trust me, perfectly good solicitors won't always tell you to read from a prepared statement.

Indeed not. In many cases I would have been more than happy to release a defendant without charge if they had explained what I guessed was the actual situation. Instead they (often against the advice of their brief) chose to go "no comment" ... and, as a result, ended up getting charged and going through all the hassle of court ... before eventually getting in the witness box and telling their side of the story. Absolute complete and utter waste of everyone's time and effort ... but unavoidable as until the defendant provides a defence it is often impossible to undermine the allegation made.

(The most bizarre related to a one-punch manslaughter case - the suspect fucked off to Devon or somewhere and then, following publicity showing his image on CCTV (it was another one of those cases which CCTV has never solved ... ) he came and gave himself up at the local police station in South London, telling the station reception officer "I think you're looking for me for that murder the other day". In interview he (to our great surprise) then went totally no comment ... even to the somewhat bemused question about five minutes in "So could you explain why you have travelled here from Devon and given yourself in to this police station then ...?)

Coppers don't always just want to convict the person they arrest, you know? They often want to get to the bottom of matters.

They should always want to find the truth not prove the case against a particular suspect. Most do these days (there was a massive change in investigative training and protocols in the late 90s). If they don't they are likely to find their case falling apart rapidly ...

 

[Dan U]

if that was where i think it was DB, that kebab shop got renamed 'murder master' shortly after by the locals

if not, as you were.

 

[detective-boy]

if that was where i think it was DB, that kebab shop got renamed 'murder master' shortly after by the locals

It would be inappropriate to identify the location further ... but that wouldn't surprise me!

 

[sim667]

http://photographernotaterrorist.org/bust-card/

One for photographers, dont know how much it will apply to demonstrations, but worth remembering.

 

[sim667]

Just saw on Freedom's site:

have u got a link for the quote??

 

[winjer]

Trust me, perfectly good solicitors won't always tell you to read from a prepared statement.

I won't thanks, I have no idea what you're legal knowledge is, and I know from my own experience and from extensive discussions with solicitors, barristers and defendants that the advice given is sound.

I don't believe that anyone who has any sort of experience in spending time inside of police custody believes that duty solicitors are in league with the police.

Believe what you like, the solicitors who wrote No Comment do believe that some are, and they have a lot of experience of dealing with the fall out from crap duty solicitors.

One needs to trust that the person appointed to provide legal advice will provide the very best - that propaganda serves to undermine said trust and will ultimately only harm ones defence.

One needs to know when to trust that person, not automatically do so.