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religious scumbags UKCG appear to have been acting illegally over christmas with a london-wide policy of unlicenced street collections

it would probably be viable to shame the met into having a bit of a pop, but i dont feel very comfortable with going whinging to the filth

that said, they are utter cunts and there seems to be an opportunity to damage them

is this something we should/could pursue and how?
 
Hmmm.... I am thinking it's a bit too late to complain now.
It might be best to leave it to see if they do it next Christmas (or any other time this year).

I really don't know what I would do as I don't like reporting/ complaining about things unless it's something really dreadful. They were a bit in your face though!
 
I telephoned the Charity Commission about them

They are a registered charity so can legally apply for a police license to rattle tins on the street.

I told the nice lady I spoke to about the fact that that the church leader and his associates were charged with multi-billion $ fraud in Brazil.

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/index.php?nid=31&sid=1738026

She said that sometimes the Charity Commission investigates charities when controversial issues like that arise, but that she would not be able to give information about such investigations on to the general public.

She suggested that I write to the Charity Commission with my concerns.

What I am doing is forwarding a file of information to a local priest at my local church. He's a decent guy and well connected in church circles and he was already concerned about the UCKG rattling tins, but he didn't know the full picture.

I would suggest that people either write to or email the Charity Commission or to get a local, well regarded religious person, of whatever faith, to do so.

On the bright side I had a few run ins with the UCKG collectors outside various Sainsbury's recently and the general public are definitely wising up to them, specifically in relation to the murder of Victoria Climbe and the issue of children being accused of witches.

People in the African and Caribbean communities who may have defended the UCKG before all the recent TV coverage of "witch children" will now join in with confronting UCKG collectors outside supermarkets.

I had a big row with 2 collectors outside a local Sainsbury's on Christmas eve, went inside Sainsbury's feeling furious and upset and ended up having several impromptu conversations with people who had overheard me and wanted to talk to me about the UCKG. People are extremely angry about the whole "child witches" thing. Understandably. When I left Sainsbury's with my shopping the UCKG collectors were nowhere to be seen and I think it very likely they had been chased off by angry people.
 
Can't you write to the mayor - can't several people do it? Every time anyone has complained about the collections, they have been stopped immediately.
I really don't think it's on to persuade the general public to donate money to buy centres for a religion they don't practise, which in effect is what you are doing when you give them money. It's diverting cash from the really needy. I agree with Blossie, perhaps end November would be a good time to raise this with the Met. I think calling them Christians is insulting to real Christians tbh.
 
They don't just collect at Christmas. They collect quite regularly outside Brixton tube. No idea whether they have permissions when they do.
 
They've been collecting a few times round my way (Hackney), increasingly in the build up to Christmas. The first time they appeared, bleating about charity, I gave them a few bits of change before noticing the insignia on the bucket.

I would love to get some hard info on where the money goes, and see them closed down.

Scum.
 
Louloubelle said:
I telephoned the Charity Commission about them...


...On the bright side I had a few run ins with the UCKG collectors outside various Sainsbury's recently and the general public are definitely wising up to them, specifically in relation to the murder of Victoria Climbe and the issue of children being accused of witches.

People in the African and Caribbean communities who may have defended the UCKG before all the recent TV coverage of "witch children" will now join in with confronting UCKG collectors outside supermarkets.

I had a big row with 2 collectors outside a local Sainsbury's on Christmas eve, went inside Sainsbury's feeling furious and upset and ended up having several impromptu conversations with people who had overheard me and wanted to talk to me about the UCKG. People are extremely angry about the whole "child witches" thing. Understandably. When I left Sainsbury's with my shopping the UCKG collectors were nowhere to be seen and I think it very likely they had been chased off by angry people.
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Well done Louloubelle. Your post made me feel a lot better about what is going on here. If this lot wants publicity let them have it, but I hope it is the truth about their money-making and exploitation of the vulnerable that gets published the most.
 
Hocus Eye. said:
Well done Louloubelle. Your post made me feel a lot better about what is going on here. If this lot wants publicity let them have it, but I hope it is the truth about their money-making and exploitation of the vulnerable that gets published the most.
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The horrible thing is that the drones I confronted outside Sainsbury's had been told what to do if people confronted them. Their response was to sing carols even louder whilst dancing merrily to try to drown out my voice.

To anyone looking on who was clueless it would have appeared that I was a crazy person shouting at jolly carol singers.

To be fair the collectors themselves are probably good people who have been controlled by the people higher up.

You will never get the puppet masters singing carols outside supermarkets.

So my happiness at seeing that they had been chased away (at least I think that's what happened) was tempered by concern for the collectors themselves, who are really also victims.

The people I spoke to in Sainsbury's were absolutely furious about the "witch children" thing and I sincerely hope that the collectors didn't get physically assaulted as they are not bad people, just deluded people.
 
glenquagmire said:
They've been collecting a few times round my way (Hackney), increasingly in the build up to Christmas. The first time they appeared, bleating about charity, I gave them a few bits of change before noticing the insignia on the bucket.

I would love to get some hard info on where the money goes, and see them closed down.

Scum.
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Islamic mentalists spread hate and they now face up to 10 years in jail.
Christian loons spread hate and are given charity status!!!
 
They were in my local asda in the run up to Christmas, or charity collectors singing carols were (so I assume it's the same mob). Didn't know who it was but neither did I part with any money. I generally find people getting in my way thrusting tins in my face and singing whilst I'm trying to buy groceries a tad annoying.
 
Citizen66 said:
They were in my local asda in the run up to Christmas, or charity collectors singing carols were (so I assume it's the same mob). Didn't know who it was but neither did I part with any money. I generally find people getting in my way thrusting tins in my face and singing whilst I'm trying to buy groceries a tad annoying.
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hardly surprising, the directors of Walmart are loons , evangical crazies back in the US so it's a case of great minds think alike here
 
blossie33 said:
Hmmm.... I am thinking it's a bit too late to complain now.
It might be best to leave it to see if they do it next Christmas (or any other time this year).

I really don't know what I would do as I don't like reporting/ complaining about things unless it's something really dreadful. They were a bit in your face though!
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It's never too late to complain.

The Met are taking complaints about UCKG December street collections right now. A number of us have complained this month. The Met say they only take action if they receive "a number" of complaints.

So please add your voice.

Apparently UCKG obtained a London-wide licence this year, but from my reading of it they seem to have broken the rules:

"Each charity is normally permitted only one day on which to collect in each year."

(In many locations they were collecting for days or weeks on end)

and for London-wide collection (which is what they say they applied for:

"Each charity or organisation must give written assurance that they can collect in 20 or more of the 32 London Boroughs on the same day."

http://www.met.police.uk/charities/streetcollection.htm

(they were collecting on different days in the same borough, and on different days across London)

Here is a statement UCKG sent to Councillor Stella Creasy:
http://www.workingforwalthamstow.org/2010/01/fighting-for-the-future-of-the-9.html

You may have an experience that does not tally with this.

This statement says they are currently preparing the accounts for submission to the Met.... So a good time to file any complaint.

Complaining in November? - Little point. The Met will begin assessing in next 2-3 months whether UCKG are likely to get a licence again. The last possible date for UCKG to apply for a Christmas licence this year will be 1 November, and they will probably apply many weeks before that. And don't forget they are also collecting throughout the year all over the place.

It's also worth contacting the Charity Commission. They only act when they receive a number of complaints from the public, or if a big story blows up. That's what they told me. They need a demonstration of public concern, numbers. It doesn't matter who you are, anyone can complain.

Met Police charities unit: Charities, TP HQ, Room 443, Victoria Embankment, Westminster, London SW1A 2JL. Telephone: 0207-321-7129.
 
It's pretty much certain that the police will not launch a retrospective investigation into individual instances of unlicensed collecting. They may however launch a retrospective central investigation into the activities of the charity as a whole. Whilst evidential issues mean that it is pretty unlikely any criminal charges will result it would certainly inform any future applications for consent, may result in a police report being sent to the Charity Commission and may result in information being passed to all police areas drawing attention to the issue and asking that any future collectors who are identified be thoroughly checked out and, if appropriate, reported for offences.

Even if it does, however, it will be unlikely to have too much impact as street collections are way down the list of priorities for the police and after a few weeks or months the information will have been overtaken by so much new information that it will pretty much be forgotten unless a particular officer has remembered it for some specific reason.

Complaints at the time of future collections are more likely to result in action (though again they will not be graded as "immediate" response calls). If you see what you believe to be an unlicensed collection I would suggest you do three things: 1 - Report it to the police at the time as a suspected unlicensed (or fraudulent - sounds a bit more urgent! ;)) street collection (0300 123 1212 in the Met Police area). Get a report reference number if you can.; 2 - if you see patrolling officers or PCSOs nearby, direct their attention to the collectors; 3 - Look up the local Safer Neighbourhood Team on the police website and e-mail them with details of the incident (and the ref.no.) - if you know they regularly collect at certain places you can e-mail them in advance and ask that they look out for them. (You could also pass details of incidents direct to the Charities team and / or the local authority and / or the Charities Commission.

I know this sounds like a load of hassle, but there is no process in place for these sorts of incidents to be flagged and passed to other units as a matter of course. The standard police response to collections would be a non-urgent look for the collectors (if a unit is available) and, if they are not there, mark it up as such and close it. If you want to achieve an amount of momentum to this, the more individual reports and complaints the better!
 
Thanks for the advice detective-boy.

Given that this outfit had over 2,000 people on the streets (mostly in London, and those that it declares) collecting for money to invest in its ever-expanding property portfolio, it's really going to be only the Charities Unit that is going to be getting an overall picture of what is happening, so I'd encourage ppl to contact them.

I got an email from someone who had a scary - as in dangerous - experience with the UCKG mob at Oxford Circus tube actually blocking the tube entrance, and you know what OC tube entrances can be like at Xmas with hundreds of people coming out (the UCKG chuggers were there for at least 10 days to my knowledge). She said it made her think of the Bethnal Green disaster.

What these ppl do is wrong on so many levels. There's a news story every day from some part of the world about their antics. Today, from Namibia:
http://www.informante.web.na/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5691&Itemid=100

Same old tricks absolutely everywhere. And worse unfortunately.
 
recumbent said:
... it's really going to be only the Charities Unit that is going to be getting an overall picture of what is happening, so I'd encourage ppl to contact them.
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Indeed - that's the point I was making about a centrally coordinated response.

The other bits (trying to get a response at the time) are important as they are about trying to provide the Charities Unit something to go on - some names, addresses, etc. - without which they will be pretty powerless to do anything retrospectively (as even unauthorised charity collections on that scale (by an actual charity as opposed to being fraudulent as such) will not justify the resources necessary to mount a massive reactive investigation, viewing hours of CCTV, identifying suspects, mounting "dawn swoops", etc.
 
Just to bump this thread - I notice they are out collecting again this year, not in such large numbers but I saw them outside both the small Tesco and Sainsbury's locals in Stoke Newington High St yesterday and also outside Lidl in Finsbury Park on Saturday.
 
Out in force again this year outside all the supermarkets in Clapham. When I asked who they were they just said UKCG no explanation, they said they do a lot of work with old people in the community. I assume they don't have permission to be outside all the shops. I know (as was previously mentioned) charities have to apply well I advance and get a couple of days outside one shop. That's why you don't see genuine charity collections blitzing a whole high street ( apart from the chuggers; that's another story!!).
 
I saw 3 of them collecting outside Waitrose in Crouch End the weekend before last but they seem very low key compared to 2009, probably because there were so many complaints about them.
 
trevhagl said:
Islamic mentalists spread hate and they now face up to 10 years in jail.
Christian loons spread hate and are given charity status!!!
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Islamists and Muslims try booming and killing people and are always angry for people who serve a God is apparently great why are you so angry 24/7
 
ash said:
Out in force again this year outside all the supermarkets in Clapham. When I asked who they were they just said UKCG no explanation, they said they do a lot of work with old people in the community. I assume they don't have permission to be outside all the shops. I know (as was previously mentioned) charities have to apply well I advance and get a couple of days outside one shop. That's why you don't see genuine charity collections blitzing a whole high street ( apart from the chuggers; that's another story!!).
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You can blitz up and down the high street if you have the permission from the council you are allowed. COMIC RELIEF SAYS THEY DO CHARITY FOR PEOPLE IN POVERTY IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.....THATS A LIE, WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL IN POVERTY WITH THE AMOUNT OF MILLIONS THEY RECEIVE AT THE END OF THE SHOW. Just because UCKG is doing charity work and their a church everyone starts with their negative comments but if it is the british redcross its ok to ask for money and receive it. Leave the church alone. what is your problem with the church??? what is everyone's problem? They obviously have permission from Sainsbury's to be there to evangelise, if the money was going into your pocket you wouldn't be complaining, it's going towards the work of God.
 
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