I bet they play the "we iz teh oprezed" card to the hilt over it, though.
It's a conspiracy against them, you know.
Yeah, and I bet they blame it all on the Jews/Zionists/the Zionist controlled media/the New World Order of Zionist Haterz/M16 and M15/and the CIA and Bilderberg group like what they always do
can I join the conspiracy plessez
''Zionist!''
the lulz continue
after seeing that on the nutjob forum the organiser of this event is claiming that it is going ahead as planned i thought id give conway hall another ring
this event is categorically not going ahead, in the words of conway hall 'we dont want that sort of thing here'
it seems the organiser refuses to accept this trying to say to conway hall that they have no right to cancel, so conway hall are in the process of writing to him to point out exactly where in the paperwork they do have the right to cancel an event
apparantly even the old bill have been on the phone to conway hall to find out whats going on
The person claiming it is still going ahead, and that smokedout has been 'phoning up Conway hall and impersonating him' is not Kollerstrom, but a man called Daniel Obachike, who is speaking with Kollerstrom at the meeting as a guest speaker. Obachike claims to be a survivor of the bus bomb at Tavistock Square and says he became aware that it was all a set up by M15 and M16 agents. These agents pretended to be wounded, organised the crowd of survivors and witnesses and since then have been relentlessly plaguing him, all the time, harassing him and so on, following him into bookshops etc. Obachike wrote a book about all this and goes round hawking it at conspiraloon gatherings, after failing to sell his story to the media for thousands of pounds. The book contains a bizarre chapter about me and my husband, set in my flat, presented as if he had been interviewing me or something; But Obachike had never met me at the time of writing, or my husband, nor been in my flat, although I am fairly sure that he tracked down my address and peered through the window.
I find him bloody creepy and if he is prepared to lie about my husband and flat, he is certainly prepared to lie about other things. And indeed he has just done, by lying that smokedout pretended to be him and lying that the meeting is going ahead, when it has been cancelled.
Being charitable, I think Obachike is quite seriously mentally ill.
Kollerstrom, of course, is quite happy to accept Obachike's claims that he is a bus survivor who knows Teh Truth and has been relentlessly stalked by large numbers of state agents who have so far been unable to prevent him publishing his book or blogging or doing talks. But then what do you expect from someone who comes out with all the unbelievable drivel he does about the holocaust and 7/7 and all the rest of it?
Kollerstrom did find out one thing: the train time given out as being the one taken by the bombers was wrong. If you remember 'Prole', she made this the foundation of her entire campaign for the government to 'release the Evidence!'. Prole now claims she and her 'J7 truth' site have never had anything to do with Kollerstrom: this is a lie. Prole also makes much of being neutral but under pressure on urban 75 wrote' It's a travesty of justice - thiose men didn;t do it!' ( ref. to 7.7 bombers). So she is a conspiraloon, but a cleverer one than Kollerstrom et al.
I was talking to someone recently who has made a career about writing and making documentaries about extremists and conspiracy theorists and he was angsting about whether the common thread is mental illness, and he shouldn't therefore 'mock the afflicted' by covering such people
But when they are aggressively pushing total lies as truth, lies that have a pernicious effect and actually do real damage, ('Protocols of Zion' type lies, and we all know what they caused) and when you go digging, you find that their world views are springing from discredited philosophies of pure hatred such as antisemitism, does the precarious mental health of the believer justify holding back?
No, I think you have to attack the belief not the believer, but it's hard, when their belief is more or less all they are, not to end up with them in the firing line as well, with real world consequences from holding such beliefs.
If Nick Kollerstrom is mentally ill, if Daniel Obachike and Tony Gosling and Anthony John Hill aka 'Muad Dib' are mentally ill, should the beeb not hold their activities up to scrutiny? Or should they debunk their stuff on the grounds that it is a matter of public interest to do so?
Should their paranoia be fed by their meetings being cancelled and fellowships revoked and opprobium being heaped upon them, is that tough luck on them, and would we be more gentle if their mental illnesses
( assuming they have one) manifested itself in harmless beliefs about, I dunno, crop circles o rsomething, rather than Holocaust denial, and the flat-out denial of the existence of suicide terrorism in the UK because of a belief in an all-powerful and oppressive UK State, which is part of a shadowy cabal of NWO rulers, who are all to a man Zionist evildoers?
