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Workers Power response to SWP open letter

ROLL UP! ROLL UP! It's time for the hottest show in town!
The Grand Two Bald Men Fight Over A Comb Spectacular!
i.e. two marginalised, irrelevant trotskyist cult sects call for a New Workers Party pt.587! destined to go the way of all the others i.e. smashed on the rocks of swappie controlfreakery and infighting
 
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that'd be a start.
also, for this to emerge from genuine workers' struggles/movements, as opposed to the small, insular and hermetically sealed world of Left anoraks, none of whom have ever come up with a buyable answer to the question as to why 50 years of frenzied, noisy and entirely circular issue-hopping activism have rendered more of an impotent irrelevance than ever, in terms of the adoption of their views by the mainstream
 
When I was in the SWP back in the early 90s I mistakenly gave my name and address to a workers power member. They were like bloody Jehovah's witnesses they wouldn't go away! Came all the way from Cardiff to the valleys once or twice a week for a month. All they wanted to do was sell me books entitled A Trotsky Critique of the SWP.
 
belboid and MC5 will be interested in this

not as interested as you tho - it's an all to rare excuse for you to trot out one of your two jokes, hoping to excite impressionable young minds who havent heard them before :)

But anyway, sod the WP reply, here's on from the CPGB - which inspires by being even even more atrociously written (laughability of actual politics, about equal - a suprise given the lengthy rootendness within the working-class of the scribes)

CPGB said:
We read your open letter with great interest. The fact that you are addressing the left as a whole is welcome, as is your stress on the need for a working class force capable of responding to the worst capitalist crisis since the 1930s.

We also welcome your recognition that this is something that the left must address through debate. Hopefully this marks a break with the SWP's recent past, where leading comrades have dismissed such obviously necessary debate as navel-gazing `sectarianism'.

Worse, when the SWP previously launched Respect as an electoral `united front', it called on us to discard or water down our Marxist principles in the hope of "reaching to the people locked out of politics" by voting "for what they want" (Weekly Worker July 1 2004).

We sense that this call not only represents a response to the success of the British National Party in the European and local elections, but is also a means by which you are attempting to regain the initiative on the left. Remember, in 2008 your leaders somewhat bizarrely declared that there is no electoral space for the left in this period.

Following the Respect disaster and the humiliation of the Left List, you are now quite clearly trying to take advantage of the poor result obtained by No2EU by presenting yourself as a reliable partner to the likes of Bob Crow and Mark Serwotka.

In the Socialist Worker article alongside your open letter you talk of the "absence of a credible left group" and the "potential for a united left group to make a real impact" (Socialist Worker June 13). This is indicative of the kind of thinking which marked your behaviour in the Socialist Alliance - where you considered this proto-party to be merely an electoral `united front' through which you could build the already existing revolutionary party - the SWP. But then, as now, the left is divided into competing sects and there is no Marxist party.

The left needs to break with such amateurism. What is needed is not a `group', `electoral bloc' or `united front' but a party formation that can become rooted in society and offer radical solutions to all the problems, grievances and issues capitalism engenders - explicitly linking the economic and political struggle with the fight for working class rule. The fact that the BNP won two MEPs does not change this fundamental task at all. The problem with your appeal is that it appears to treat the marginal increase in support for the BNP as the most pressing problem that needs to be overcome.

What is needed is not a "group" formed specifically to stop the BNP, but a party with a programme for the working class to become the ruling class by "winning the battle of democracy", as Marx and Engels put it in the Communist manifesto. That is why Alex Callinicos is wrong when he says that it is important the left "doesn't get trapped in a debate about constitutional reform" (Socialist Worker June 6). Leaving aside the loaded word, "trapped", the left in Britain has never taken the struggle for democracy seriously.

We note that, in its initial leaflet form, your open letter is headed: "It's time to create a socialist alternative"; but in Socialist Worker the same appeal is titled: "Left must unite to create an alternative". The open letter does not contain the word `socialist' apart from in the name of your own organisation. So what sort of "alternative" are you hoping will emerge? It is all very well admitting you do not "have all the answers or a perfect prescription for a leftwing alternative", but it would be helpful if you would specify what organisational form you have in mind.

We feel that by focussing your open letter on stopping the BNP as the most important question, you are signalling your intention to create yet another `united front' viewed as a means of channelling recruits into the SWP.

We too are "aware of the differences and difficulties involved in constructing such an alternative" - particularly the tendency to place the interests of one's own grouping above the need to fight for a genuine party with an open and healthy democratic culture and an accountable and recallable leadership. Given that many on the left are utterly distrustful of the SWP for both closing down the SA and engineering a split in Respect, your call may well be greeted with a degree of cynicism. One way to combat this would be to publicly account for the disastrous mistakes of the past.

We look forward to hearing your response and will certainly participate in the conference you suggest should be convened.
 
But anyway, do the WP reply, here's on from the CPGB - which inspires by being even even more atrociously written

Within a few hours, various little sects, the AWL, WP, CPGB, were jumping up and down in excitement, hoping against hope that the SWP leadership are about to give them access to their rank and file.
 
Within a few hours, various little sects, the AWL, WP, CPGB, were jumping up and down in excitement, hoping against hope that the SWP leadership are about to give them access to their rank and file.

What, you mean it's all about mailing lists?

Can't they just buy them off some bloke in the pub like seemingly every other direct marketer out there?
 
For The Working Class Not The Shirking Class

meanwhile the welfare reform bill zings its way through parliament
At least their trying to do something to deal with long term benefit culture, though through neo-liberal privatisation will make more of a mess of it.

At the end of the day they are not interested in irradicating this parasitical self perpetrating self sustaining industry between an ever increasing middle class and social underclass as it acts in their interest.

Worse is the policies of privatisation towards job centres etc.
Not allowing public sector to compete with private subsidaries.
 
:D
When I was in the SWP back in the early 90s I mistakenly gave my name and address to a workers power member. They were like bloody Jehovah's witnesses they wouldn't go away! Came all the way from Cardiff to the valleys once or twice a week for a month. All they wanted to do was sell me books entitled A Trotsky Critique of the SWP.

Perhaps they just fancied a day out in the country
:eek::rolleyes::D
 
It seams the left are diverging in a three, possibly four way fork.

1) Those who supported Lyndsey Dispute and are trying to build a positive movement from these actions to build a strong Labour Movement orientated initiative. A working calss movement warts and all that will genuinly have strong representation in the working class.

2) Those who didn't support the Lyndsey dispute jumping on one bandwagon after the other and may be involved in work that is not directly linked to workplace organisation.

3) Those who see the Greens as leading the way for a strong progressive alternative.

4) Those heavily stuck into anti globalisation/anti capitalist movement who may or may not be intertwinned with a subculture surrounding these dynamics who see convetional politics not as relevent.

Maybe some of the left will support Labour or be some small sect that believes that it has all the answers, but they are really irrelevent in any alternative.

Suprising how AWL & Workers Power are siding with SWP, and Perm. Rev. and Commune with the alternative.
 
oh well old reg of mi5 will having something to do next week :D

That might cheer him up.

Poor old Reg, though - he's part-time now, you know. Commies are so last century.

When he is at work, Reg spends half his time making tea for the lads who keep an eye on the Islamists.
 
I made some of the points mentioned in this thread at a meeting yesterday with Michael Lavellette and the early start of a Preston branch of UAF (I was there merely as a critic of the BNP, not the next Preston based member of the SWP/Left List/etc)

There have been many attempts at a "socialist alternative" (indeed the Socialist Party have to use that name in elections). There has been a Socialist Alliance,a Democratic Socialist Alliance, Respect, Left List....If the Left can't work together, they can't work against the BNP and others on the far-right.
 
Are Workers Power and Permanent "revolution" still tacitly supporting the disgusting neoliberal authoritarian outfit that is Labour?

Their 2 faced oneupmanship leftism makes me want to vomit. They slag off the Greens as "reformist" and back warmongering racist capitalists themselves. Fucktardism in the raw.
 
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