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Interesting Polly Toynnbee article in today's Guardian.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=7

My friend and I have been travelling up to Brixton (clubbing nights out) quite a bit of late, and I have to say we were pleasantly surprised by how safe we felt by comparison, say, to walking around certain areas of Bristol. We park up in Vauxhall (near the after-party club - far better to do the long walk before than after a weekend on the razzle! :D ) and walk up to the Fridge; on the first occasion, when we got a little lost, people were friendly and helpful. At no time have we felt we needed some visible police presence.
Toynbee's right - Howard's probably one of the scariest things to have recently roamed around Brixton!! :D
 
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives2004/comment/0,15018,1322592,00.html

Actually, I think this warrants being posted in full...

A Scary Night In Brixton

When Michael Howard went on the prowl for a quick-hit crime story he didn't let the facts get in his way

Polly Toynbee
Friday October 8, 2004
The Guardian

The police in Brixton are outraged. The community in Brixton is outraged and the Community Consultative Group, which links police and people together, has written a furious letter to Michael Howard.

It was this section in Howard's conference speech that caused the trouble: "Three weeks ago on a Saturday night, I went out on the streets of Brixton. I saw the problem their community is up against. In two hours we didn't meet a single policeman, not one. This was inner-city London just before midnight, on a Saturday night. No wonder people feel the police have become distant and remote."

Leave aside the unpleasant "black mugger" racist overtones in choosing Brixton in the first place, just look at his failure - yet again - to do the most rudimentary research. A cursory phone call would have revealed the excellent state of genuine community policing here. (Did he even forget that Lambeth is now run by his own Tories, together with the Lib Dems?) There were plenty of police out and it was a very low crime night: one robbery, one burglary and one serious incident all that Saturday night. Michael Howard must have been one of the scarier midnight things roaming around Electric Avenue.

Here is why they are so angry with him. Crime in Brixton has been dropping like a stone. In the last year alone robbery is down by 21.5% - 330 fewer street robberies. Burglary is down by 16.8% and car crime by 21.9%. There were 2,000 fewer crimes this year and that comes on top of three years of falling figures: robbery dropped by 36% the previous year, remarkable results year after year.

This is what Detective Chief Inspector Glynn Jones of Brixton said to me with angry relish - firmly on the record: "Basically, Mr Howard, go and shove it. If you want a lesson in leadership and delivery you could get it from no one better than Lambeth borough Commander Richard Quinn, awarded the Queen's Police Medal and one of the masterminds behind the London-wide Operation Safer Streets".

At the last community consultative meeting, an elderly Brixton resident got up to say he had never in 50 years known the place feel safer - and he was outraged by Howard's ignorant hit-and-run attack.

Lee Jasper, black activist and spokesman for the Community Consultative Group, describes how well things work. When the police go out to arrest a big drug dealer, he goes too, together with others, to reassure local people. They hand out leaflets to explain what's going on. "As the police frog-march the guy away there is not a murmur. When people see us with the police, they start to say it's a good thing, to get rid of the trouble they've had in the area."

Now the community has taken over a private house impounded from a convicted drug dealer and turned it into a mini-police station and community centre. "This is the best partnership and Quinn is the third of three excellent commanders we've had here," Jasper says. Where the police knew of 85 crack houses a year ago, now they think there are only five left.

So into all this success stalks Michael Howard one dark night, on the prowl for a quick-hit cheap crime story, clueless about any of this. If that is Howard's idea of a new era of political honesty to engender new trust from the people, forget it.

Crime is the best reason why politicians often well deserve the deepest distrust. They use it shamelessly to frighten the living daylights out of voters. They do it worst in opposition - Labour was shameless too - but they are scarcely better in office. The Tories this week were at their most unscrupulous: "Crime is out of control!" Howard said, lying through his teeth and knowing it. (But note how this barrister weaselled the truth: he didn't actually say "crime is rising").

It wouldn't matter much if this were just ordinary ya-boo political mendacity, part of the game. But in stirring up crime panics, politicians are reckless of the real unhappiness they spread. It's not just fear, but that wretched, life-sapping sense that society is beyond saving, all is decay and sadness. It makes people depressed and pessimistic; it is the wicked thing that politicians do quite routinely. And then they wonder where "trust" went. If they want trust, they should agree the base line on crime figures and call a truce on scaring the public witless.

And witless the public is, through no fault of its own. Two-thirds of people think crime increased in the last two years, half of them think it increased "a lot", according to the British Crime Survey.

As attentive Guardian readers should know by now, nationally the risk of being a victim of a crime has fallen by 40% since 1995 - the longest continuous fall in crime since 1898. Burglary has fallen by 39% and car crime by 31%. Violence has dropped too, by 24%.

The media and opposition parties get away with pretending it is not so, by quoting the police recorded figures, which have been rising due to improvements requiring the police to record more, not less, crime. All reputable, non-partisan crime experts think that the British Crime Survey findings are the ones that more accurately measure the way things are moving, even if no figures ever catch the whole truth. (The BCS asks a sample more than 30 times the size of an ordinary opinion poll if they suffered from crime in the last year: that picks up a far larger total number of crimes than a reliance on the vagaries that determine which crimes get reported to the police.)

Of course the arch villain is the media. Newspaper sales and television ratings thrive on fear of crime: the wilful misleading of the public knows no bounds. As a prank the Sun has just sent a removal van to the high court to remove Lord Woolf, in protest at new punishments set out by the Sentencing Guidelines Council. How are Sun readers to know that this council - on which sits Victim Support and other lay members - is bringing not leniency but consistency and transparency to sentencing? Yet again the public is encouraged to think nothing works, the law is mad, and criminals go unpunished in this most punitive of nations.

But there is no need to feel sorry for the government if its good crime figures are unknown. Whenever they are likely to be reported, Blair and Blunkett love to rail against yobs and louts and anti-social behaviour, as if the country really was going to the dogs. Blunkett joined the tabloid pack the other day by attacking a judge's decision to let a suspected terrorist out on bail. This playing to the press means people never learn the true facts about crime and punishment. The way crime is used and abused for political gain is one of the worst excrescences of democracy. Let's have no more crocodile tears from politicians about loss of trust - until they start to talk honestly about law and order.

polly.toynbee@guardian.co.uk
 
Brixton Nights

When I read in the papers about how unpleasant our city centres are becoming at night because of "binge drinking", casual violence, etc. I can't help comparing this with what it's like in Brixton, which as a resident always seems pretty relaxed and peaceful to me. Of course I am careful about where I go but it is certainly a lot less threatening than the West End or the centre of towns like Colchester or Basingstoke.

Trouble is, I'm not usually out after 11.00 pm. Does it get any worse later on?
 
happyshopper said:
Trouble is, I'm not usually out after 11.00 pm. Does it get any worse later on?
Compared to what I've seen on most city streets, lagered up fighting beer boys are a much rarer sight on Brixton streets.
 
dogmatique said:
Crime in Brixton has been dropping like a stone. In the last year alone robbery is down by 21.5% - 330 fewer street robberies. Burglary is down by 16.8% and car crime by 21.9%. There were 2,000 fewer crimes this year and that comes on top of three years of falling figures: robbery dropped by 36% the previous year, remarkable results year after year.
I'm surprised she is not more cautious about using unattributed crime statistics and I am astonished that she says "one robbery, one burglary and one serious incident all that Saturday night". Surely that can't be right?
 
JWH said:
I'm surprised she is not more cautious about using unattributed crime statistics and I am astonished that she says "one robbery, one burglary and one serious incident all that Saturday night". Surely that can't be right?

The crime statistics are public domain here (choose 'Rooling 12 Months', 'Select Crime [type]' and move mouse curser over Lambeth)

As for the figures on that Saturday night, perhaps that was just for Brixton?

More to the point, given the Mail's history of hanging on the policy utterences coming out of Brixton nick, what will they make of 'Go shove it' ?
 
It's an indication that even Brixton police reckon Howard is unelectable!

That or they hold a grudge dating back from when he was Home Secretary.

It's amazing that Toynbee elicited that comment about a politician from a senior police officer.

In the olden day's he'd have got into some serious problems etc etc, contd on p97.
 
hendo said:
It's an indication that even Brixton police reckon Howard is unelectable!

That or they hold a grudge dating back from when he was Home Secretary.

It's amazing that Toynbee elicited that comment about a politician from a senior police officer.

In the olden day's he'd have got into some serious problems etc etc, contd on p97.


The idea that violent crime is falling is laughable. Anyone ever tried to report a crime in Brixton or anywhere else? They make it almost impossible.

Michael Howard was invited to Brixton by the group he toured with. Surely it's a good thing that a senior politician takes the trouble to see things for himself? It seems though, in the Polly (Labour Party member) Toynbee world it's impossible for a tory to go to Brixton for anything other than cynical reasons. And since Howard had the nerve to criticise the Brixton police (that august body of men) she found a policeman (bravely off the record) to criticise Howard.

Polly Toynbee, by the way, is so confident that we live in crime free streets, she lives in one of those gated communities so loved on this forum. A hypocrite? - surely not.
 
Mr BC said:
The idea that violent crime is falling is laughable. Anyone ever tried to report a crime in Brixton or anywhere else? They make it almost impossible.

Michael Howard was invited to Brixton by the group he toured with. Surely it's a good thing that a senior politician takes the trouble to see things for himself? It seems though, in the Polly (Labour Party member) Toynbee world it's impossible for a tory to go to Brixton for anything other than cynical reasons. And since Howard had the nerve to criticise the Brixton police (that august body of men) she found a policeman (bravely off the record) to criticise Howard.

Polly Toynbee, by the way, is so confident that we live in crime free streets, she lives in one of those gated communities so loved on this forum. A hypocrite? - surely not.

If you're a politician and you want to visit somewhere you always get invited - by asking to be invited - national politicians do this the whole time. The question is why Howard wanted to tour Brixton rather than anywhere else that might be a bit more typical of urban Britain. Polly Toynbee (who I usually disagree with BTW) rightly picks up that Howard is using Brixton as a metaphor for 'scary black Britain'. Brixton is not by any means typical of Britain (in many ways I wish it were) - Howard is using it as a trigger for fear.

Strangely Labour & Lib Dem politicians also use Brixton but for the opposite reasons - as a good place for getting friendly reactions at the market & to show positive policing initiatives. For instance the first thing you get if you google Charles Kennedy & Brixton is the following:

Charles Kennedy & Simon Hughes visiting Brixton to see success in fighting crime:
http://www.vauxhall.libdems.org.uk/news/11.html?PHPSESSID=4b58b4fbcd4fe77c63565c80da35ecc3
 
more
Guardian Article said:
This is what Detective Chief Inspector Glynn Jones of Brixton said to me with angry relish - firmly on the record:

Mr BC said:
she found a policeman (bravely off the record) to criticise Howard.

:confused:

I think the policeman probably went over the limit by suggesting that Mr Howard 'shove it', but he was absolutely right to state the figures.

Howard's trip was a gimmick for the cameras - he should take some lessons from McIntyre, at least he managed to get mugged, albeit after three days!


Edited to add - there's more. A sympathetic leader in the Guardian - the Met will give Quinn another medal!
 
Mr BC said:
And since Howard had the nerve to criticise the Brixton police (that august body of men) she found a policeman (bravely off the record) to criticise Howard.

Did a blue mist descend when you read the article BC? Glynn Jones was ON the record. And without wishing to be pedantic, some police officers are women, too, these days.

I don't know where Polly Toynbee lives, but does an address disqualify a journalist from some subjects? Where should you live exactly in order to be able to write credibly about politicians and their utterances on crime?

She makes a valid point, no? It plays well for the Conservatives to claim that crime is up, in spite of figures showing some reductions.
 
Mr BC said:
Michael Howard was invited to Brixton by the group he toured with. Surely it's a good thing that a senior politician takes the trouble to see things for himself? It seems though, in the Polly (Labour Party member) Toynbee world it's impossible for a tory to go to Brixton for anything other than cynical reasons. And since Howard had the nerve to criticise the Brixton police (that august body of men) she found a policeman (bravely off the record) to criticise Howard.

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As I dont support Tories/Libs or Labour maybe I cant see much difference between say Blunkett or Howard.I believe Mr BC is correct that he came to Brixton with the support of a local "Faith group".I think Mr BC is correct that Pollys article has a lot to do with the fact she loathes Howard and the Tories.At the end of the article she does indicate that all mainstream politicians big up the fear of crime.Blunketts made comments like the NHS being "swamped" by supposedly "illegal immigrants"-so hes no more or less racist than Howard.

As for the Lib/Dems they just drift around the middle ground.In Lambeth they appear to be fully behind the New Labours Red Card Zones/ASBOs.In fact they try and outdo the Labour party on this.

Playing on peoples fears (Crime,Immigration) is the form mainstream politics takes in the present time.This IMO is due to the general impotence of politicians to make serious changes in society.

So unlike Polly who sees herself as a critical supporter of the "Third Way"(she is ex SDP) I dont agree with any of them.
 
Bob said:
The question is why Howard wanted to tour Brixton rather than anywhere else that might be a bit more typical of urban Britain. Polly Toynbee (who I usually disagree with BTW) rightly picks up that Howard is using Brixton as a metaphor for 'scary black Britain'. Brixton is not by any means typical of Britain (in many ways I wish it were) - Howard is using it as a trigger for fear.

It really is pretty offensive to say that, just because he's a tory, his visit was inspired by racism!

It says more about your own prejudices than his. But, of course, we ALL know that only nice, left-liberals like Polly Toynbee, really care about black people. :rolleyes:
 
And also the "Faith Group" he was accompanying him around Brixton are a Black church.I now as I saw him that night.
 
I agree with Mr BC Polly is the most irritating of Left/Liberals.Some of her pieces on social policy are good(especially on childcare and lowpay)But any time the Unions etc try and do anything about these issues she berates.
 
pooka said:
I think the policeman probably went over the limit by suggesting that Mr Howard 'shove it'
Much as it's hard to disagree with someone telling Howard to sod off, I don't want cops giving political endorsements either.
 
The mistake Howard made was that his criticism of lack of police was aimed at the Government but came across as criticising the Cops themselves.One thing Cops dont like is being criticised.

How things have changed.Back in Thatchers period the Cops were falling over themselves to be the para military wing of the Tory party.

Know with Blunkett out Torying the Tories they tell Howard to shove it :rolleyes:
 
Gramsci said:
And also the "Faith Group" he was accompanying him around Brixton are a Black church.I now as I saw him that night.

And, according to the evening standard, Les Isaac, the minister leading Mr Howard round, is a member of the Conservative Christian Fellowship.

The only thing googling can't seem to tell me is Mr Isaac's relation to pastor Chris Andre Watson, who was the 'impartial community figure' so eagerly critising the cannabis reclassification along with IDS before it had even had time to settle down a bit.

Perhaps he isn't a member of the CCF like Mr Isaac, but if he is it explains why he was so rabid in attacking the government at the time. Interesting stuff, had always wondered about that one...
 
Mr BC said:
It really is pretty offensive to say that, just because he's a tory, his visit was inspired by racism!

It says more about your own prejudices than his. But, of course, we ALL know that only nice, left-liberals like Polly Toynbee, really care about black people. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that at all - what I'm saying is that it was lazy shorthand to use Brixton as a metaphor for everything that is bad about crime in Britain. Howard could have come to Brixton to talk about the collaboration betweeen the Lambeth police and the Lib Dem - Tory coaltion who run Lambeth...
 
Howard is bloody at it again -- in the Grauniad comment section, attacking Polly Toynbee. It's flagged up in a basement story on page one as 'The Battle of Brixton'.

Apparently his party's policies are not racist because they were black pastors he went round Brixton with.

So it wasn't a cynical, racist bid to manipulate the bible bashers into appearing to back the tories' cynical, racist scaremongering on crime, then? :rolleyes:

How fucking naive does he think people are? :mad: :mad: :mad:

So it wasn't a one-off -- clearly Brixton is to be made the national focus of a political slanging match on crime. Interesting.
 
IntoStella said:
Howard is bloody at it again -- in the Grauniad comment section, attacking Polly Toynbee. It's flagged up in a basement story on page one as 'The Battle of Brixton'.

Apparently his party's policies are not racist because they were black pastors he went round Brixton with.

So it wasn't a cynical, racist bid to manipulate the bible bashers into appearing to back the tories' cynical, racist scaremongering on crime, then? :rolleyes:

How fucking naive does he think people are? :mad: :mad: :mad:

So it wasn't a one-off -- clearly Brixton is to be made the national focus of a political slanging match on crime. Interesting.

Exactly correct!

Howard excells at this sort of unpleasant manipulation for his political ends.

Turd.
 
Mr BC said:
It really is pretty offensive to say that, just because he's a tory, his visit was inspired by racism!

It says more about your own prejudices than his. But, of course, we ALL know that only nice, left-liberals like Polly Toynbee, really care about black people. :rolleyes:
Ok - but baring in mind certain community groups and the police are rather annoyed - and bearing in mind people like Howard have 'previous' in terms of cynically playing to the gallery, is it all THAT unreasonable for people in turn to be cynical about what he's up to here?
 
Don't like Toynbee much but sometimes she produces some good stuff. I read the article on the tram yesterday. Spot On.
 
Tonight's Standard

Howard stands firm over 'missing police'
By Richard Edwards, Evening Standard
12 October 2004
Tory leader Michael Howard today stood by his claim that there are not enough police patrolling the streets of Brixton.
The Conservative leader had faced community criticism after he used his conference speech to urge that more officers be put on patrol, sparked by a visit to the neighbourhood during which, he said, he did not see a single policeman.

However, today Mr Howard stood by his comments, saying there were widespread fears over the absence of bobbies on the beat and called for a debate on crime and the causes of crime. He said he was happy to congratulate the police on their successes in reducing overall crime but added: "Nobody mentioned that violent crime in Lambeth has risen by almost 10 per cent in the past five years. Violent crime really frightens people - and a police presence on the streets helps to reassure the public."

His comments come after the Evening Standard took to the streets of Brixton to retrace Mr Howard's steps. In two hours we saw 11 officers, four police cars and two patrolling police vans. The area did not feel threatening and there were no overt signs of crime.

Before the tour on Saturday had begun we found six police officers standing outside Brixton station. Then, from 10pm until midnight, we traced the Tory leader's steps around the Angell Town estate, towards the notorious Coldharbour Lane and up Brixton Road.

For the first 50 minutes, Mr Howard's claims stood up. On the recently refurbished Angell Town estate, we saw no officers. The area was deserted. On Coldharbour Lane, a police car flashed past. Then a Met van. But there were no officers on the street.

One 41-year-old man, who said he was a reformed drug dealer, said: "I'm surprised. We normally see them coming up and down in twos but they haven't been for the past few weeks.

"Coldharbour Lane is no longer a major dealing area. I don't feel Brixton is dangerous - Howard should have tried going to Harlesden or Stonebridge Park." At 10.50pm, we saw a group of six policemen dealing with a minor incident outside the Ritzy Club. Two more walked past within minutes.

Further up Brixton Road, we found another two officers outside the Academy and a further one with a woman in a wheelchair as crowds dispersed from the venue. Two police cars drove past, followed by a van.

By 11.30pm, once pubs had emptied, police sirens rang out around the area.

Back outside the Dog Star pub on Coldharbour Lane, where Mr Howard had been recognised by passers by, we were offered "pills and marijuana" by a swaying, dreadlocked man. It was the only sign of crime we encountered.

"We base all our patrolling on intelligence," one policeman said. "You cannot be everywhere at one time, and we concentrate on the centre of Brixton unless we have specific information about problems in a certain street."

In his speech, the Tory leader said police had become "distant and remote". A shopkeeper on Coldharbour Lane disagreed, saying: "For the past two years this area has been a lot better and the police have hit the right balance. Brixton is now safer, but it remains its loud and vibrant self."

It was a feeling backed by the policemen on duty. One of the officers we met said: "I cannot understand how Michael Howard didn't see any police. Tonight there are 25 of us on patrol between 4pm and midnight.

"Maybe there was a major incident elsewhere that night. But I can say for certain that we were not all sitting behind desks, as he claimed."

Alan Piper, secretary of the Brixton Society, said: "I think Mr Howard is out of touch. It's wrong to paint such a gloomy picture of Brixton. Maybe 10 or 20 years ago his comments would have been more accurate but there are now more police in Brixton. There are no more no-go areas and things have improved tremendously."
 
Thanks Pooka.

Apart from the references to 'the notorious Coldharbour Lane', 'Ritzy Club' :rolleyes: etc, that is a pretty unusual piece for the substandard. Glad they aren't swallowing Howard's shit.

What next in the 'Battle of Brixton", I wonder?
 
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