Anarchist split at London "movement" cafe

sihhi · Mar 7, 2010

The anarchists have split to add to the SWP and CWI

Perhaps the co-op workers should have organised themselves into Food and Leisure Section of the GMB? What does the IWW say?
The co-op caterers and waiters won't be receiving severance money.
Are any employment experts on hand to advise these people of how to bring a case of constructive dismissal?

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/03/447028.html and follow the comments:

The cafe is now going to be run a
different group of people. We aren’t happy about leaving the cafe but
We feel like they left us no other option. The cafe was very
important to us and leaving it is going to take a massive chunk out of
our lives. We would wish them the best of luck, but we’re still too
angry to be able to do that.

it seemed too remarkable that so many people wanted to take on
responsibilities yet had never mentioned it. Especially seeing as a
lot of responsibilities (such as: Monday cleaning, Wednesday prep,
any-day baking, errands) were actively advertised via e-mail and
signs in the cafe. When this was brought up, those tasks seemed to be
considered menial and unimportant. It was especially surprising seeing
as the current involvement of that group of people was such that they
hadn’t actually noticed the skipped food that had been in the freezer
for two months (even though there were labels on the freezers explaining it) and weren’t aware that there already a meeting booked for that day and time.
- we felt that our hard work for the last couple of years to keep pogo
open was entirely unrecognized, let alone appreciated. The “menial”
tasks like cleaning, most of the time fell to the coop.
...
- the implication that only vegans who are practicing animal rights
activism should be allowed to run the cafe is very exclusive

Discussion from an animal rights perspective here
http://pogocafe.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/the-end-as-we-know-it/#comments

CyberRose · Mar 7, 2010

I'm just amazed that a bunch of so-called anarchists could be so snobby that they had a hissy fit just because they found a load of Somerfield food in the freezer. I know it's not Waiterose, but overreacting a little bit maybe?

5t3IIa · Mar 7, 2010

Somerfield is just down the road. Tesco a 100 yards further. There's not a Waitrose for miles.

the button · Mar 7, 2010

CyberRose said:
I'm just amazed that a bunch of so-called anarchists could be so snobby that they had a hissy fit just because they found a load of Somerfield food in the freezer. I know it's not Waiterose, but overreacting a little bit maybe?

Meat put in a vegan fridge by the goverment. :mad:

(According to one of the comments, anyway

).

5t3IIa · Mar 7, 2010

Godwinstastic

Citizen66 · Mar 7, 2010

I wonder why the co-op member questioned did not feel uncomfortable about the animal corpses in the fridge? Would they feel comfortable if a murdered human corpse was kept in the fridge?

Seems a bit odd to compare someone being comfortable with a few packs of bacon in the fridge as being comfortable with a human corpse being there. I understand some vegan's feelings on meat but it isn't cannibalism.

the button · Mar 7, 2010

Citizen66 said:
Seems a bit odd to compare someone being comfortable with a few packs of bacon in the fridge as being comfortable with a human corpse being there. I understand some vegan's feelings on meat but it isn't cannibalism.

Anarchists keeping human body parts in the fridge? That would never happen.

audiotech · Mar 7, 2010

CyberRose said:
I'm just amazed that a bunch of so-called anarchists could be so snobby that they had a hissy fit just because they found a load of Somerfield food in the freezer. I know it's not Waiterose, but overreacting a little bit maybe?

You're always having a 'hissy fit' on here. American's one time, who it turned out weren't. Then you had another and bid us all "adios", but I see you're still here. :rolleyes:

Geri · Mar 7, 2010

As a customer of Pogo’s where I have spent many pleasant Sunday afternoons I am appalled to hear that the flesh of murdered animals were being stored there. ‘A waste of food’? Similar thinking to the Nazi’s who stripped the dead Jews etc of their gold teeth, hair and anything else they could make money from.

FreddyB · Mar 7, 2010

I wonder why the co-op member questioned did not feel uncomfortable about the animal corpses in the fridge? Would they feel comfortable if a murdered human corpse was kept in the fridge?

Whoeever said that wants putting in a sack and shaking about

5t3IIa · Mar 7, 2010

They say they knew people would be uncomfortable with meat being in the cafe fridge so they moved it then didn't bother to take it away as planned as too lazy then said 'No' when asked if it made them uncomfortable...

the button · Mar 7, 2010

FreddyB said:
Whoeever said that wants putting in a sack and shaking about

Now we see the violence inherent in the system.

FreddyB · Mar 7, 2010

the button said:
Now we see the violence inherent in the system.

CyberRose · Mar 7, 2010

MC5 said:
You're always having a 'hissy fit' on here. American's one time, who it turned out weren't. Then you had another and bid us all "adios", but I see you're still here.

I think it's more accurate to describe the responses to my opinions that people disagree with as hissy fits. Similar to what you're doing now. However, where I will happily admit to having a hissy fit is seeing such a criminal misuse of apostrophes...(altho I wouldn't expect someone like you with such an obvious lack of a sense of humour to see the funny side to that)

Citizen66 · Mar 7, 2010

This is why communism never works.

Geri · Mar 7, 2010

What has anarchism got to do with veganism?

imposs1904 · Mar 7, 2010

Citizen66 said:
This is why anarchist-communism never works.

Corrected it for you.

Citizen66 · Mar 7, 2010

Geri said:
What has anarchism got to do with veganism?

Well nothing until they set up a vegan not-for-profit cafe on a co-op basis. Personally I'd have thought the co-op should be more important than their eating principles. Although I am a meat eater so probably don't understand.

imposs1904 said:
Corrected it for you.

Easy now.

bi0boy · Mar 7, 2010

Well I don't blame them, I mean running a cafe is much harder than instituting an anarchist society within our lifetimes, so there were bound to be some challenging issues to flounce away from.

ajdown · Mar 7, 2010

bi0boy said:
Well I don't blame them, I mean running a cafe is much harder than instituting an anarchist society within our lifetimes, so there were bound to be some challenging issues to flounce away from.

If a pack of bacon is a 'challenge'... then I'd hate to think what they'd do if by some strange coincidence they ended up running the country.

Thank God for capitalism. It means these muppets never will.

CyberRose · Mar 7, 2010

ajdown said:
If a pack of bacon is a 'challenge'... then I'd hate to think what they'd do if by some strange coincidence they ended up running the country.

Declare war on Denmark?

Citizen66 · Mar 7, 2010

ajdown said:
If a pack of bacon is a 'challenge'... then I'd hate to think what they'd do if by some strange coincidence they ended up running the country.

Thank God for capitalism. It means these muppets never will.

How would an anarchist co-op 'run the country' ..?

You're projecting current power structures on to something that operates entirely differently.

bi0boy · Mar 7, 2010

I think this incident demonstartes the difficulties that an anarchist society would face in avoiding it's organisational structures being sequestrated by animal rights loonies.

Clearly, surplus bacon would need to be stored in orbit.

rioted · Mar 7, 2010

ajdown said:
....they ended up running the country.....

You really haven't got a clue. Why bother to comment, then?

taffboy gwyrdd · Mar 7, 2010

Anarchism operates from high principles. Veganism from higher ones.

Citizen66 · Mar 7, 2010

taffboy gwyrdd said:
Anarchism operates from high principles. Veganism from higher ones.

I don't see how you can run a co-op in such an elitist manner. They clearly see their vegan principles as more important than maintaining the co-op. Communism should be inclusive and be prepared to accomodate all. Otherwise it's just a pretentious wank circle.

trevhagl · Mar 7, 2010

CyberRose said:
I'm just amazed that a bunch of so-called anarchists could be so snobby that they had a hissy fit just because they found a load of Somerfield food in the freezer. I know it's not Waiterose, but overreacting a little bit maybe?

anarchists and the left's main objectives are to argue amongst themselves don'tcha know

mauvais · Mar 7, 2010

Couldn't organise an anarchist social centre in a cafeteria. It's hardly fucking Granita is it?

Citizen66 · Mar 7, 2010

If they'd rather see good food go to waste than it look bad on their cred then this is clearly the privately educated never-been-skint-in-their-life brand of revolutionaries.

I'm sure kids in third world countries would really dig their principles.

FreddyB · Mar 7, 2010

I no nothing about the situation or any of the people but it could be more than just some bacon in a fridge, stuff that's been brewing for ages. What I'm sayin is that maybe there's a few people who need putting in a sack and shaking up

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