Il Divo
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Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
electrogirl
dignity is overrated
Well you just KNOW what I thought this thread was going to be about. 
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
My fav film of last year.
Paul Ginsborg's excellent A History of Contemporary Italy: Society and Politics, 1943-1988 and Italy and its Discontents 1981-2001 and the standards intros. The very turbulent 70s are covered brilliantly in Robert Lumley's States of Emergency: cultures of revolt in Italy from 1968 to 1978. Sideny tarrow has done lots of very useful work on post-war institutional politics as ell.
If you're into your films, and Itlay has had the most interesting european post-war film industry IMO you really need Italian Cinema: From Neorealism to the Present by Peter Bondanella (recently updated).
I've got a ,lot more stuff about the radicals and Communists and various strains of left-wingers, extra-parliamentary stuff if you're after that, but i'll wait and see before typing them up. I'd really recommend them two Ginsborg's for starters though.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
I'd be interested in the extra stuff, if you could. I will probably get those books you have recommended already, I find this stuff fascinating.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No probs, get onto that in a little bit.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Right, The essentials:
Italy 1977-78: Living With An Earthquake - Red Notes
Working class autonomy and the crisis : Italian Marxist texts of the theory and practice of a class movement 1964-79 - Red Notes
Italy: Autonomia: post poltical politics - (i've uploaded most of the texts from this collection here - along with loads of other stuff on this subject.
Storming Heaven: Class Composition and Struggle in Italian Autonomist Marxism - Steve Wright (should probbaly be your intro text).
Books for Burning - Negri
Revolution Retrived - Negri - two collections of his fine 70s work.
Radical Thought in Italy: A Potential Politics.
Other interesting/useful stuff:
Strike One to Educate One Hundred - early red Brigades stuff - up to mid-late 70s
Stefano Delle Chiaie: Portrait of a Black terrorist - fascsist terrorism in post war Italy.
The Revolutionary Mystique and Terrorism in Contemporary Italy - Richard Drake (interesting but his interpretations of what marxism is/was is way off, but this has loads of stuff that others don't
The Judge and the Historian - Carlo Ginzburg, great investigation into the fallout fo the bomb PInelli fell out of a window for.
The Italian Resistance: Fascists, Guerrillas and the Allies - Tom Behan
Long Awaited Moment: The Working Class and the Italian Communist Party in Milan, 1943-1948 - Behan - both these cover the potential revolutionary moment immediately after Musso's fall etc
Moscow and the Italian Communist Party: from Togliatti to Berlinguer - Joan Barth urban
The Italian left in the 20th Century -De Grand, standard intro text.
Also, a fascinating book, Between Hollywood and Moscow: The Italian Communists and the Challenge of Mass Culture, 1943-91, goes very well with that Bona della book i mentioned above.
Italy 1977-78: Living With An Earthquake - Red Notes
Working class autonomy and the crisis : Italian Marxist texts of the theory and practice of a class movement 1964-79 - Red Notes
Italy: Autonomia: post poltical politics - (i've uploaded most of the texts from this collection here - along with loads of other stuff on this subject.
Storming Heaven: Class Composition and Struggle in Italian Autonomist Marxism - Steve Wright (should probbaly be your intro text).
Books for Burning - Negri
Revolution Retrived - Negri - two collections of his fine 70s work.
Radical Thought in Italy: A Potential Politics.
Other interesting/useful stuff:
Strike One to Educate One Hundred - early red Brigades stuff - up to mid-late 70s
Stefano Delle Chiaie: Portrait of a Black terrorist - fascsist terrorism in post war Italy.
The Revolutionary Mystique and Terrorism in Contemporary Italy - Richard Drake (interesting but his interpretations of what marxism is/was is way off, but this has loads of stuff that others don't
The Judge and the Historian - Carlo Ginzburg, great investigation into the fallout fo the bomb PInelli fell out of a window for.
The Italian Resistance: Fascists, Guerrillas and the Allies - Tom Behan
Long Awaited Moment: The Working Class and the Italian Communist Party in Milan, 1943-1948 - Behan - both these cover the potential revolutionary moment immediately after Musso's fall etc
Moscow and the Italian Communist Party: from Togliatti to Berlinguer - Joan Barth urban
The Italian left in the 20th Century -De Grand, standard intro text.
Also, a fascinating book, Between Hollywood and Moscow: The Italian Communists and the Challenge of Mass Culture, 1943-91, goes very well with that Bona della book i mentioned above.
Superdupastupor
fun to funky
What about films made in post-WWII Italy.???
the Rossellini war trilogy: Rome, Open city (1945) , Piasa ( 6ep serial) and Germany, Year Zero (1948)
what stands out about these movies is that characters often lack obvious motives or virtues which i think was unusual for the time in moviemaking.
anyway a good place to see what the war did to Italy on film.
the Rossellini war trilogy: Rome, Open city (1945) , Piasa ( 6ep serial) and Germany, Year Zero (1948)
what stands out about these movies is that characters often lack obvious motives or virtues which i think was unusual for the time in moviemaking.
anyway a good place to see what the war did to Italy on film.
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
Well you just KNOW what I thought this thread was going to be about.
Cheers to Butchers for the references - I'll look them up - The only one I had read is the Stuart Christie one.
The only other text I have read that covers this period in Italian History is Daniel Ganser's Nato's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terroriam in Western Europe which gives a fairly compelling analysis of the CIA & NATO's role in destabilising Italy in this period.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
The opening shots for Il Divo are some of the coolest I have seen in a long time, with that song by cassius. Italians know how to do it right.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Bongiorno Notte which is about the kidnappingkidnappers and specifically one of the of Aldo Moro gulio andreotti's (the protagonist of il Divo) main rival in the Chritian Democrats in the 70's is worth watching.
I love this with it's romantic nostalgia for the partisan struggle, in the midst of a film which questions romantic leftist gestures.
I love this with it's romantic nostalgia for the partisan struggle, in the midst of a film which questions romantic leftist gestures.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Can now add this important film to the list: A story of the strategy. My comments from the DVD thread:
A Story of the Strategy/of the massacre/Piazza Fontana: The Italian Conspiracy - new film from Marco Tullio Giordana covering early emerging aspects of the strategy of tension, generally the train bombs in 1969 and specifically the bombing of the Agricultural Bank in Milan the same year. Extremely well made and very very thorough - students of this period will see just about every relevant name group or person examined in some detail (this is a drama btw not a docu) - Pinelli, Merlino, Valpreda, Stefano Della Chaie, Prince Borghese, aginter press, new order, national front, the 10th Flotilla, march 22nd movement, feltrinelli, calabresi, moro. The film hinges on the relationship between Pinelli and Calabresi (the latter portrayed as an honourable man in cricumstances not of his making, as is the monster moro, which confirms to me an impression i had from earlier films by Giordana, that he sympathises with the left but isn't from within it).
General thrust was that the police and fascists had infiltrated the march 22nd movement (through Ippolito and sansetto) - the latter group to provoke violence and bombings in order to place the blame for the real big bombs they were planning onto the anarchists and the former because they has their strings pulled by the real string pullers of the state to believe that the anarchists were responsible. However, the fascists themselves had been infiltrated by the same state and security services and bigger fascists in order to use them in a similar way as they had planned with the anarchists. Only thing was missing was an end-word on the trial of those later convicted of the Murder of Calabresi. Highly recommended if you're at all interested in italian history, might be a bit baffling if you're not.
A Story of the Strategy/of the massacre/Piazza Fontana: The Italian Conspiracy - new film from Marco Tullio Giordana covering early emerging aspects of the strategy of tension, generally the train bombs in 1969 and specifically the bombing of the Agricultural Bank in Milan the same year. Extremely well made and very very thorough - students of this period will see just about every relevant name group or person examined in some detail (this is a drama btw not a docu) - Pinelli, Merlino, Valpreda, Stefano Della Chaie, Prince Borghese, aginter press, new order, national front, the 10th Flotilla, march 22nd movement, feltrinelli, calabresi, moro. The film hinges on the relationship between Pinelli and Calabresi (the latter portrayed as an honourable man in cricumstances not of his making, as is the monster moro, which confirms to me an impression i had from earlier films by Giordana, that he sympathises with the left but isn't from within it).
General thrust was that the police and fascists had infiltrated the march 22nd movement (through Ippolito and sansetto) - the latter group to provoke violence and bombings in order to place the blame for the real big bombs they were planning onto the anarchists and the former because they has their strings pulled by the real string pullers of the state to believe that the anarchists were responsible. However, the fascists themselves had been infiltrated by the same state and security services and bigger fascists in order to use them in a similar way as they had planned with the anarchists. Only thing was missing was an end-word on the trial of those later convicted of the Murder of Calabresi. Highly recommended if you're at all interested in italian history, might be a bit baffling if you're not.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
Well you just KNOW what I thought this thread was going to be about.
I thought Geri had posted a thread in the wrong forum
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