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Paramilitary Style Group Protests In Luton

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greenman

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Did anyone see this reported -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5380132/Nine-rioters-arrested-after-Luton-protest-turned-violent.html

Police drafted in cavalry, dog handlers and riot officers at 5pm in an attempt to control the crowd, some of whom wore balaclavas and shirts bearing St George's Cross.

At one point the mob appeared to be charging in the direction of Bury Park, an area of Luton where many of the town's Asian population live.

The crowd convened on the steps of Luton's town hall, where many began chanting "terrorists out" before dispersing.

The march was organised by a group called United People of Luton (UPL), in protest against Muslim preachers who marred the homecoming parade of the 2nd Battalion The Royal Anglian Regiment.

On March 10 extremists, including the activist Sayful Islam, jeered 200 soldiers and waved placards calling them "Butchers of Basra", "murderers" and "baby-killers".

It led to fury from families of soldiers and was condemned by Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Britain's former most senior Muslim police officer, Tarique Ghaffur.

UPL spokesman Wayne King, 24, who helped organise Sunday's march, said: "We want laws brought in to stop these preachers of hate operating here in Luton.

"We decided enough was enough after the soldiers got heckled as they marched through the town centre by the Muslim extremists."

A spokeswoman for Bedfordshire Police said: "Nine people are in custody for a range of offences including criminal damage and assault."

Several cars were damaged in the riot and an Asian-owned business had its windows smashed.

A group called March for England had applied to Luton Borough Council for permission to march through the town centre but their request was turned down.

The council said it had become aware that a small group of people planned to go ahead with the march anyway.

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The TV report showed that there were quite a few masked up in the white T-shirts like the one in the photo in the telegraph.

Now, the stupid fundamentalist protest at the troops returning that provoked the original outcry was one thing. But it would seem to me that it is a long time since England has seen a masked up and "uniformed" group of extremists go in search of a racial and religious minority and to attack their cars and businesses indiscriminately. Pogromist echoes.:(

Anyone else see this as a particularly alarming development? Anyone know who is behind the uniformed group?
 
people really werent impressed with the muslim protest against the returning soldiers.

I'm not shocked some group has used it to promote thier bigoted agenda.


dave
 
sounds like they already have one.

this is really quite shocking, on the face of it.

a 24 yo spokesmen, ostensibly representative of these nutters, typifies little more than sad ignorance and hatemongering itself, ironically. Looks like the incident in Luton (gotta love those marching soldiers) was a catalyst for some bored, ignorant thickos to air their hatreds.

I woudl also expect Luton Town FC to eplicitly and practically distance itself from these cretins ASAP. That they won't is rather sad.
 
Some info here. on events after the Luton protets.

and a claim here by the BNP that:

Two British National Party election advertisement billboards in different parts of the country came under threat from mobs of Islamists this afternoon. One billboard was covered up after the mob intimidated the police by threatening to attack.
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kained&able said:
people really werent impressed with the muslim protest against the returning soldiers.

I'm not shocked some group has used it to promote thier bigoted agenda.


dave
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What is so wrong about Muslims (or anyone else) protesting about returning soldiers? For the last few years we have been expected to support this show of patriotic crap unquestionably. The vast majority of British people were opposed to this war which was entered into through lies and misinformation. The associated parades etc are part and parcel of an attempt to whip up jingoism and discredit opposition to the war.

The fact that some British people (who happen to be Muslim) protested this is seen as so awful. No it wasn't. Every British person has a right to protest and this sickening parade and associated patriotism for a war that shouldn't have happened was as good a target as any. The tragedy is that noone on the left had the balls to heckle this parade.

The fact is, if white non muslims had protested this military parade there wouldn't have been nearly the outrage that the "muslim" protesters provoked. It was precisely because the protestors were non white that caused the outrage. It was racism pure and simple.

The fact that racists have used this as an excuse to attack minorities is just one end of a racist wedge that started with the original media outrage that "Muslims" dared to oppose a patriotic parade. The whole so called "outrage" is racist to the core.
 
dylans said:
What is so wrong about Muslims (or anyone else) protesting about returning soldiers? For the last few years we have been expected to support this show of patriotic crap unquestionably. The vast majority of British people were opposed to this war which was entered into through lies and misinformation. The associated parades etc are part and parcel of an attempt to whip up jingoism and discredit opposition to the war.

The fact that some British people (who happen to be Muslim) protested this is seen as so awful. No it wasn't. Every British person has a right to protest and this sickening parade and associated patriotism for a war that shouldn't have happened was as good a target as any. The tragedy is that noone on the left had the balls to heckle this parade.

The fact is, if white non muslims had protested this military parade there wouldn't have been nearly the outrage that the "muslim" protesters provoked. It was precisely because the protestors were non white that caused the outrage. It was racism pure and simple.

The fact that racists have used this as an excuse to attack minorities is just one end of a racist wedge that started with the original media outrage that "Muslims" dared to oppose a patriotic parade. The whole so called "outrage" is racist to the core.
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These were not average Luton muslims. They are certainly not interested in stopping war - they want a war themselves. They want to stir up shite just as much as the other racists - looks like they are getting the results they wanted.
 
dylans said:
What is so wrong about Muslims (or anyone else) protesting about returning soldiers? For the last few years we have been expected to support this show of patriotic crap unquestionably. The vast majority of British people were opposed to this war which was entered into through lies and misinformation. The associated parades etc are part and parcel of an attempt to whip up jingoism and discredit opposition to the war.

The fact that some British people (who happen to be Muslim) protested this is seen as so awful. No it wasn't. Every British person has a right to protest and this sickening parade and associated patriotism for a war that shouldn't have happened was as good a target as any. The tragedy is that noone on the left had the balls to heckle this parade.

The fact is, if white non muslims had protested this military parade there wouldn't have been nearly the outrage that the "muslim" protesters provoked. It was precisely because the protestors were non white that caused the outrage. It was racism pure and simple.

The fact that racists have used this as an excuse to attack minorities is just one end of a racist wedge that started with the original media outrage that "Muslims" dared to oppose a patriotic parade. The whole so called "outrage" is racist to the core.
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Don't talk so daft, you drippy twat - those protesting at the orginal march were poltically the same scum as those who used yesterday to attack Muslims - they weren't brave anti-imperialists and anti-racists you seem to imagine - and just where supporting these idiots leads was demonstrtated by this nonsense yesterday. This sort of response is exactly what the far right wants - racialising isues like this and heightening tensions. Useful idiots - that's what both the fundies and racists think of this sort of response.
 
dennisr said:
These were not average Luton muslims. They want to stir up shite just as much as the other racists - looks like they are getting the results they wanted.
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Since when was protesting a patriotic war parade "stirring up shit"? It doesn't matter what the politics of the protestors was. The fact is opposition to a war parade is legitimate political action. If middle class white people had opposed this parade there wouldn't have been nearly as much fuss.

As for the racists who want to capitalise on this. Keeping quiet about a war that was entered into against the wishes of the vast majority of the population doesn't seem a very effective strategy for fighting fascism.

I hope the community moblises and puts these bastards of the streets . That is how these fascist thugs should be opposed not by people keeping their heads down out of fear of offending racists.

It should be said loud and clear. British Muslims are British and have as much right to protest as any other British person.
 
greenman said:
Anyone else see this as a particularly alarming development?
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I continue to find it odd how soldiers returning from the war in Iraq are somehow exempt from being protested against, as if no one should be allowed to complain against what they were doing.
 
Since when? Since then - since they did that in that manner, and since it did stir up the shit as evidenced by yesterdays bollocks. Well done lads, well done.
 
TAE said:
I continue to find it odd how soldiers returning from the war in Iraq are somehow exempt from being protested against, as if no one should be allowed to complain against what they were doing.
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Who says they're exempt? And why are muslims exempt from the same then? Are they?
 
dylans said:
Since when was protesting a patriotic war parade "stirring up shit"? It doesn't matter what the politics of the protestors was. The fact is opposition to a war parade is legitimate political action. If middle class white people had opposed this parade there wouldn't have been nearly as much fuss.

As for the racists who want to capitalise on this. Keeping quiet about a war that was entered into against the wishes of the vast majority of the population doesn't seem a very effective strategy for fighting fascism.

I hope the community moblises and puts these bastards of the streets . That is how these fascist thugs should be opposed not by people keeping their heads down out of fear of offending racists.

It should be said loud and clear. British Muslims are British and have as much right to protest as any other British person.
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As BA said above - the world is not black and white - most Luton muslims rejected the approach taken by a tiny minority. Despite your 'liberal' intentions you end up being a 'useful idiot'.

Yes *sigh* british Muslims have every right to protest and yes *sigh* the war is utterly wrong. The point of anti-war protest would be to win folk to that view rather than push them further into 'its a muslim v non-muslim' lie. The original 'protesters' did not want that they wanted to 'provoke' and further divide and set one group agsinst another - and they now seem to have got what they set out to do.
 
butchersapron said:
Don't talk so daft, you drippy twat - those protesting at the orginal march were poltically the same scum as those who used yesterday to attack Muslims - they weren't brave anti-imperialists and anti-racists you seem to imagine - and just where supporting these idiots leads was demonstrtated by this nonsense yesterday. This sort of response is exactly what the far right wants - racialising isues like this and heightening tensions. Useful idiots - that's what both the fundies and racists think of this sort of response.
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Amazing. anti war action should only be undertaken by those whose political (and racial ) credentials white middle class lefties approve of.
bollocks.

The military parade was patriotic jingoism for a war that 75% of the British population opposed. Because we don't approve of the politics of the protestors (and frankly because it stirred our patriotic impulses) we oppose the legitimate democratic rights of British people to free speech and free association.
This parade was a legitimate target of opposition. Tragedy is the left is so shattered and so cowed that it was left to Islamic nutters to do what any self respecting anti war movement should have done. Shame on all of you.
 
dylans said:
Amazing. anti war action should only be undertaken by those whose political (and racial ) credentials white middle class lefties approve of.
bollocks.

The military parade was patriotic jingoism for a war that 75% of the British population opposed. Because we don't approve of the politics of the protestors (and frankly because it stirred our patriotic impulses) we oppose the legitimate democratic rights of British people to free speech and free association.
This parade was a legitimate target of opposition. Tragedy is the left is so shattered and so cowed that it was left to Islamic nutters to do what any self respecting anti war movement should have done. Shame on all of you.
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wtf are you talking about? Where the hell did i say anything like that. i said that the original protest was designed explicity to whip up the sort of response we saw yesterday to push people into the arms of the fundies (and the far-right were doing exactly the same). Useful idiots hiding behind 'rights' are actively colluding with this agenda. That's why they're useful. You seem to fit the bill on both counts. If you've so little political nous you line up behind things like this without asking critical questions then you're the same sort of twat that was out supporting this march for england yesterday.
 
butchersapron said:
And i take it protests against Isam are to be supported as well then because they are 'a right'? No politics - just rights.
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If there were a parade for the Iraqis who fought against the british, would people not be allowed to counter protest?
 
dylans said:
Since when was protesting a patriotic war parade "stirring up shit"? It doesn't matter what the politics of the protestors was. The fact is opposition to a war parade is legitimate political action.
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no it's not, the sqaddies are victims of this war as much as anyone else
 
There have been tens of thousands of anti-war protests - millions of ordinary people. (All those 'cowed' and 'pathetic' lefties - along with a huge percentage of the general population)

Ask yourself why this group of 15 wankers got the front-page coverage they did?

Its what the hard right and right-islamists want. it also suits a billionaire press who would also rather have us at each others throats.

The 'shame' is entirely on idiots like you who cannot see something so obvious

Given your liberal wank angst - what the fuck have you done to oppose the war? I can only assume fuck all - otherwise you would know how the press opperates
 
Luton - fascists on the streets

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