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Desmond Tutu on Hamas & The Israeli Blockade of Gaza

Grandma Death

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7425082.stm

That well known biased anti semite Tutu on the blockade:

My message to the international community is that our silence and complicity, especially on the situation in Gaza, shames us all. It is almost like the behaviour of the military junta in Burma

Nice to see he's also described the Beit Hanoun attack as a 'massacre' (or if you're from the Israeli government its classed as a 'mistake')
 
Actually Tutu has always hated Israel and been pro-"Palestinian" going back to the very earely 1980s so this is no news. Obviously, being pro-"Palestinian" he cannot possibly be "Anti-Semitic" but he sire is "Anti-Israeli" and could be "Anti-Jewish" although that remains to be seen since he just exhbits hate for Zionists.
 
Actually Tutu has always hated Israel and been pro-"Palestinian" going back to the very earely 1980s so this is no news. Obviously, being pro-"Palestinian" he cannot possibly be "Anti-Semitic" but he sire is "Anti-Israeli" and could be "Anti-Jewish" although that remains to be seen since he just exhbits hate for Zionists.

He's 'pro palestinian' yet he has openly criticised Hamas. So what does that make him....confused?
 
Actually Tutu has always hated Israel and been pro-"Palestinian" going back to the very earely 1980s so this is no news. Obviously, being pro-"Palestinian" he cannot possibly be "Anti-Semitic" but he sire is "Anti-Israeli" and could be "Anti-Jewish" although that remains to be seen since he just exhbits hate for Zionists.

Anti-Zionism, or even "hating Zionists" isn't synonymous with "hating Israel".

Can you actually provide any proof of this "hatred" you attribute to the archbishop, or is this merely your interpretation?
 
Actually Tutu has always hated Israel and been pro-"Palestinian" going back to the very earely 1980s so this is no news. Obviously, being pro-"Palestinian" he cannot possibly be "Anti-Semitic" but he sire is "Anti-Israeli" and could be "Anti-Jewish" although that remains to be seen since he just exhbits hate for Zionists.

You make it sound like a bad thing! why ever would it be a bad thing?
 
If every nation state in the world behaved to its neighbours as Israel does ..

Then where would we be?
 
Any chance of toning down the personal abuse from Grandma Death?

Judging by his posts on this and other threads I can see why people tell him to fuck off.

I know its difficult for you but will you please stop repeating this lie.

What can I say-you have to spell it out for a simpleton like Rach.

Grandma Death said:
I'm not taking lessons on how to make worthwhile contributions to a thread from a tosser like you. Now get back to what you do best-following around other urbanites and poking them with a stick.

Grandma Death said:
Fuck off dwyer.

He argues the point alright but be fucked if he posts supporting information-infact its the complete opposite.

Indeed. Every now and again the true rach lets slip his mask and the real rach becomes obvious. No doubt about it he's a nasty piece of work.
 
You love following people around and winding them up dont ya phil. Infact haven't you admitted to this on another forum?

You're a waste of space and unless you have something worthwhile to contribute to this thread I'd suggest you leave it there's a good troll.
 
Agreed. Now rach-I'm not aware of any sort of hatred voiced by Tutu-just criticism. So is it the case then that you are misinterpreting criticism as hatred?
 
Panda: LEt us just start with 2 oiff the top of my head...In a 2002 speech he ave for Divestment in Israel, he said that "people are too scared to spaek because of the Jewish Lobby in this country (US)." ?He himself saw fit to reeeidt that bon mot in 2005 when it was brought to his attention that no matter how he hung it out to dry, it was anti-Jewish.

Accusing Jews of controlling governments of other countries is a stock anti-Jewish ploy.

How about the dozens of times he has acused Israel of engaging in Apartheid?

Juast 2 very common Tutu tricks. I will not get into his current debacle, that is his participation on a UN Panel for Human Rights that in its first years of existence only examined cases involving Israel. Of all nations they could examine, in the entire first year only Israel was a human rights violator?

Or how about his visit in December, where we did not let him enter Gaza and he condemned Israel, but not a word on the tactics of the terrorists . Hios bias is clear through and through.

"Anti Zionism is not the same as hating Israel.": First of all, he has made it quite clear in numerous statements that he is against both. However, how do you ever rationalise your claim? Israel is a Zionist State. To hate Zionism is to hate its culmination into nationhood. It is one and the same .

Weltweit: "If every nation in the world behaved like Israel, where would the world be?": If every nation in the world had neighbours like Hazbollah, PRC, PIJ, and HAMAS what would all those other nations do? You seem to like analogies. How about you going to work every day and hearing an early warning system warning you that you have 30 seconds before a 120 mm shell impacts. Your kids are on their way to school, wife on the way to work, you in your car, what do you do? This is life every day for 40% of my nation. That is to say, on good days, when Hezbollah winds up it is 80% of my nation. People actually lived in their bomb shelters for a good 6 months in the time frame leading up to the 2006 Lebanon War.


If Israel sat in the midddle of the EU, say next to the Netherlands, do you think you would see IDF incursions? It is called Cause and Effect.
 
  • rach speaks Biblically Revealed Truth*
  • therefore, the only possible reason anyone could have for disagreeing is that they hate him
  • therefore, anyone who disagrees hates at least one Jew
  • therefore...



* Serving suggestion. Contents: PR briefing 76%; alcohol 13%; bile 11%. Actual Bible not included.
 
"Anti Zionism is not the same as hating Israel.": First of all, he has made it quite clear in numerous statements that he is against both. However, how do you ever rationalise your claim? Israel is a Zionist State. To hate Zionism is to hate its culmination into nationhood. It is one and the same .

I see, anyone who dares to criticise your beloved Israel's policies will then be subjected to smears. One wonders where you stood on the issue of apartheid....no, wait, given your recent confession of admiration for fascism, I think it's fairly obvious where you stood.
 
  • rach speaks Biblically Revealed Truth*
  • therefore, the only possible reason anyone could have for disagreeing is that they hate him
  • therefore, anyone who disagrees hates at least one Jew
  • therefore...



* Serving suggestion. Contents: PR briefing 76%; alcohol 13%; bile 11%. Actual Bible not included.

Just like painting by numbers, innit? :D
 
Laptop: Aside from the general vile nonsense you just posted, I do not believe in the Bible except as a source of interresting literature and as part of my culmative heritage. The only Books that are Historical in anyway are in the Apocrypha (Maccabi I, II, III).

Anyone can disagree with me without disagreeing with any other Jews. I am but an indivudal and post as such. If you want to fantasise that I represent all Jews, feel free. Back to the topic...
 
Careful Nino, you had already gotten banned once this week and here you go again, just a few posts after that general warning from Editor. We are so fond of you and would not want to see you off to the Island of Broken Toys with Moono. Watch yourself Nino, please.
 
Panda: LEt us just start with 2 oiff the top of my head...In a 2002 speech he ave for Divestment in Israel, he said that "people are too scared to spaek because of the Jewish Lobby in this country (US)." ?He himself saw fit to reeeidt that bon mot in 2005 when it was brought to his attention that no matter how he hung it out to dry, it was anti-Jewish.


Accusing Jews of controlling governments of other countries is a stock anti-Jewish ploy.

Talking about the jewish lobby is not the same as accusing jews per se of controlling other countries.

How about the dozens of times he has acused Israel of engaging in Apartheid?

Again thats criticism not hatred.

I will not get into his current debacle, that is his participation on a UN Panel for Human Rights that in its first years of existence only examined cases involving Israel.

Link for this please.

Or how about his visit in December, where we did not let him enter Gaza and he condemned Israel, but not a word on the tactics of the terrorists . Hios bias is clear through and through.

His bias? In the OP link he criticises Hamas?
 
Careful Nino, you had already gotten banned once this week and here you go again, just a few posts after that general warning from Editor. We are so fond of you and would not want to see you off to the Island of Broken Toys with Moono. Watch yourself Nino, please.

Is this supposed to be some kind of threat? Do you think you were exempt from the editor's warning (as you put it)?

I see you're still lying about Moono. Pathetic. You and dwyer are welcome to each other.
 
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