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This is not a call out thread Ed. I'm asking for posters to provide evidence of the following claims so a long standing dispute can be closed. I'm told this evidence is very easy to find on the internet-can anyone help?

Rachel Corry was a peace activist killed by an Israeli Bulldozer. The ISM released photographs of Corry but there appears to be disputes over timelines. However I have never been able to find evidence that the ISM leadership admitted to doctoring the photos a claim made on this board. Does anyone know of this confession?

Captain R was the captain who shot the the young palestinian Iman Alhamas (Just 13 years old).....key to the incident was a radio transcript released by a current affairs programme which was allegedly mis translated. Captain R took the shows makers to court and on this very board a poster claimed that trial was over at that time of the claim being made (Dec 2006). Was that the case-had the trail ended at that point?

Finally in that very same trial it has been claimed that the producers of the show admitted their section on Captain R was 'pure fantasy'. Can anyone find transcripts of that trail-does such an admission exist?

All these claims are (according to the originator) backed up by evidence easy to find on the internet. Maybe its my googling skills :confused:

Can anyone help?
 
If you sincerely want to find out more you could start by taking the time out to create a meaningful title and properly put forward the case for each claim.

Slapping up a load of unexplained links with a vague title isn't going to help.
 
If you sincerely want to find out more you could start by taking the time out to create a meaningful title and properly put forward the case for each claim.

Slapping up a load of unexplained links with a vague title isn't going to help.

Noted and changed.:)
 
Another poster has already posted links at least once regarding the doctored phtos, the others can be proven by simply doing the legwork if it is that important.

As for not being a call out thread, that did make me smile. Whatever.
 
Another poster has already posted links at least once regarding the doctored phtos, the others can be proven by simply doing the legwork if it is that important.

Blah fucking blah. So you keep saying. 59 views on this thread and not one single person can provide this readily available evidence. Admit you exaggerated/lied/economical with the truth. Save what little face you have.
 
Um, one already did, months ago.If you truly cared, you would research it wouldn't you. Not too hard. Kid named Joesseph Carr aka Smith aka whatever from Christian Peacemakers AND ISM Photoshopped it.

UVDA? I pities you in the other thread just a minute ago and pointed you to the truth there as well. If you care youu willpursuse it.

If it is instead about imagined shortcomings in people you have never met, we will instead have another year or more of you coopting threads and turning them into personal garbage pails, sadly.

It is not about you, nor me or my veracity but about millions of people.
 
Um, one already did, months ago.If you truly cared, you would research it wouldn't you. Not too hard. Kid named Joesseph Carr aka Smith aka whatever from Christian Peacemakers AND ISM Photoshopped it.

UVDA? I pities you in the other thread just a minute ago and pointed you to the truth there as well. If you care youu willpursuse it.

If it is instead about imagined shortcomings in people you have never met, we will instead have another year or more of you coopting threads and turning them into personal garbage pails, sadly.

It is not about you, nor me or my veracity but about millions of people.

You're still waffling. This thread is still devoid of evidence and you're still parroting the same line. Change the record rach and spill the beans. Back up your claims.

Or better still is there anyone on this forum that can help poor rach out here? He's obviously struggling somewhat.
 
Another poster has already posted links at least once regarding the doctored phtos, the others can be proven by simply doing the legwork if it is that important.

As for not being a call out thread, that did make me smile. Whatever.


But you have "problems" with hyperlinks...rather conveniently, but you can post noise on the Internet with no problems at all.

Inconsistent? You? Never! :rolleyes::D
 
Actually Dexter, I talk about my life here quite often. If you truly care, search the last 5 days or so and you will find a pretty good auto-bio for another "fan."
 
Another good thread to the dogs because of bored lonely people trying be clever. Listen Dexter, you posed a question, if you did not want an answer better to have stuck to your chess club. Why ruin civil discourse?
 
Rachel Corry was a peace activist killed by an Israeli Bulldozer. The ISM released photographs of Corry but there appears to be disputes over timelines. However I have never been able to find evidence that the ISM leadership admitted to doctoring the photos a claim made on this board. Does anyone know of this confession?
"Corrie" works better with google. :)

There is an ISM press release somewhere about this one - no idea where. I'll check the archives if I have a moment. The story is as follows:

Before she was killed, Rachel's group had been working for a number of hours confronting bulldozers to prevent home demolitions. There was no video camera available in Gaza at the time but they had many photos of the action over the course of the day, some of them featuring Rachel and a variety of IDF bulldozers and Palestinian homes. As the only unusual thing about Rachel's final confrontation with a bulldozer was its failure to stop, there were no cameras active immediately before she was killed.

After Rachel was killed her affinity group prepared an eye-witness account which ISM press-released along with a number of photos taken both before and after she was killed. For the reasons stated above, the "before" pictures (of Rachel on the action) were not taken immediately before she was killed and nowhere in the press release was it claimed that they were. AP and Reuters nevertheless managed to repackage the photos for the mainstream media as if they were a photo-story.

As usual, a number of rabid ISM watchers picked up on this and made a lot of wild claims that were refuted with evidence.

Both press releases should be in the ISM (palsolidarity) archives shortly after 16th March 2003 - not sure how much later the frothy-mouthed allegations were made, a few months at most.

HTH


E2A: Just found this
- The photographs taken on the day of the incident and at the scene show various angles of Rachel engaging the bulldozer drivers and show two different bulldozers. Again, reading the eyewitness testimonies will clarify that Rachel and the other ISM volunteers were in the area engaging two bulldozer drivers for approximately two hours before Rachel was crushed. The photos are 100% consistent with the eyewitness accounts and offer clear evidence that the bulldozer drivers were aware of the presence of the ISM volunteers and their efforts.

http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2003/03/21/ism-statement-on-the-killing-of-rachel-corrie/
 
Except that it was proven that the whole story was bogus.

There was no demo that day at all although it is clear that ISM including Ms. Corrie believed there was. Reportedly she was "investigating" a local well near Rafi Yam, a then Israeli "Settlement." It was used by Arab snipers to fire and injure Jews and the IDF had taken down part of the walls surrounding it, not damging the well but that is not the point with ISM. She and her "comrades" got a call and were hurrredly told by a fellow Activist (by mobile) that IDF D9s were trucking in (actually they do not need to be transported since the FOB was only a few hundred meters from the lot in question) and they assumed what they assumed. The dozers were stopped near an empty weed filled lot behind the home of an Arab pharmacist (Samir Nasrallah) and this led ISM to believe the man, quite active himself actually, was going to lose his home.

The actual orders? To doze the weeds since there had been more than a couple of recent tunnels in and out of the weedchoked lot.The lot sat roughly 800 meters from the Egyptian border (In Hai a Salam in Rafah, Gazan side). We obviosuly had been doing alot of clearing of such lots at that time, in the vicinity and ISM had befriended Nasrallah and his family. Obviously they took the IDF presence as some sort of personal challenge or affront, as if protecting a friend. Their mistake (or better put, ignorance since he and his home were nowewhere on any agenda)

As the Ds went to work she and her friends started their usual histronics, calling names, cursing, calling soldiers murders, pigs, and worse. Hmmm, sounds familiar.

As with any medium scale Security Op there barricades like the ones police use in the West ro cordon off areas of danger. There was also IDF Observers and other Security personel present, as well as the usual IDF Infantry Permiter.


Ms. Corrie and others REPEATEDLY crossed barriers, walked in the path of Ds, and interfered with the Swcurity Operations of a well armed army in a forieng nation. Funny, do not see many ISMers in Sri Lanka, Tibet, or Chechnya. Only Issrael is stupid enough to allow foriengers with no real business to enter conmtentious areas and even witness Security Ops.

D9s for those that do not know are huge machines on their own. When the IDF modifications are done however visibility is reducred to the low 2 digits, an average of 16%. CCTV alows the operator greater operational ability, as do specific observers communicating by radio, and one riding in the cab with the operator just to monitor the CCTV at all times. CCTV though is not magic, it has blind spots, as do the machines themselves.

In addition, as such a large machine, it has great momentum. Its engine is rated by the book at 416 HP I believe but our modifications, not able to disclose, boost that considerably. Its blade though is 7 X14 feet, so imagine the cab?The dimesioans are enormous and a small giurl as she was, is going to be a blip on an operator's CCTV screen, and if lucky al around the oberserver will havge spotted her. When a person like Ms. Corrie repeatedly runs in front of the machines, repeatedly being dragged away kicking, screaming in her little megaphone, and spitting, anything can happen and sadly did.

I find it amazing that people still have the gall to cal ISM a peace organisation. I guess they missed that little incident on the "WB" when the IDF in pursuit of a wanted terroists with many kills to his "credit" ran into their office. Seeing him do so they knocked on the then locked door and they refused to open the door. When it was forcibly taken down they tried to prevent the IDF from its pursuit, physicaly involving themselves as they so often do, guess peace is only in increments?

Found the man of course, as well as a more interesting find in an office, a cache of weaponry....Hmmmm....I guess people also forget how Ms. Corrie allowed herselves to stand in front of a class of Gazan tots, burning an American flag, grinning as people took pics of the young lady.

Then doctored photos turn up, her death is manipulated, even by Arabs although most even in pubic interviews expressed aggravation with the group of "do-gooders" who always got in the way of one or both sides. In reality? PRC actually came at AK point and threatned their lives in order to get them to leave, other unaffiliated gunme actually fired at their little camp. Arabs generally hate the foreigners as much as we do. The foreigners have their own agendas, and use the situation to ehr own advantage and Arabs are not a stupid people, nor naive. What did the etter ISM was discussing the day she died say? It was an Arabic eaflet calling the group "nasty foreign bitc%^s." The dynamic is not as many here imagine it is.

These foreign fools come, add to the violence (co-founder, Jewish by the way if anyone cares, says that "'Palestinians' have the right to use any form of violence since it is valid resistance" and yet Israelis are oppressors and brutal? WHAT?), almost always do not speak either of our two languages (Hebrew and Arabic). Using interpreters and guides, they muckrake, abuse, and take highly partisan and divisive stands. They interfere with a highly militarised nation's Security and Ops used to ensure that Security, and then whine when it goes against their wishes.They force their way into Arab schools and such and even Arafat, who praised her for proaganda aftyer she died, cursed the group when 10 of their stupid a##es ran into the Bet'l'chem Nativity Church and began to steal PLO limelight from the ensconced militants. Stay home then, as they should have, or come to people who want "your flag burning help."

You enter a war zone, you assume risk. That Israel would even allow foreigners, anti-Israel at that, into Gazas shows that their caims are nonsense. If Israel s the Oppressor, why allow sworn enemies to capitalise on it? What nation on the planet does it?

Do readers here know that at 4 that afternoon Arab snipers fired at our men and a grenade was tossed towards the IDf tank guranding the site with the Perimter? Why did ISM not leave then? Corrie might have had terrible judgement but there 8 of the 9 Gazan members there . Why did thery then continue to stay and try and throw down barriers? An hour later she is in front of a D9, kneeling???

Then, to top off this balagan,who writes the "eyewitness report" that gets picked up all over the world? "Joe Smith." That is right, Joe Carr the UK citizen who doctored the damn photos. Telling everyone it was inetitional because he witnessed it. What a fraud.
 
I want to add to YMU's post, that ISM was there for just over THREE HOURS, and that an hour before she got herself killed, a greande was thrown, she should have never been there. Make bad choices, get bad consequences.
 
Except that it was proven that the whole story was bogus.

There was no demo that day at all although it is clear that ISM including Ms. Corrie believed there was. Reportedly she was "investigating" a local well near Rafi Yam, a then Israeli "Settlement." It was used by Arab snipers to fire and injure Jews and the IDF had taken down part of the walls surrounding it, not damging the well but that is not the point with ISM. She and her "comrades" got a call and were hurrredly told by a fellow Activist (by mobile) that IDF D9s were trucking in (actually they do not need to be transported since the FOB was only a few hundred meters from the lot in question) and they assumed what they assumed. The dozers were stopped near an empty weed filled lot behind the home of an Arab pharmacist (Samir Nasrallah) and this led ISM to believe the man, quite active himself actually, was going to lose his home.

The actual orders? To doze the weeds since there had been more than a couple of recent tunnels in and out of the weedchoked lot.The lot sat roughly 800 meters from the Egyptian border (In Hai a Salam in Rafah, Gazan side). We obviosuly had been doing alot of clearing of such lots at that time, in the vicinity and ISM had befriended Nasrallah and his family. Obviously they took the IDF presence as some sort of personal challenge or affront, as if protecting a friend. Their mistake (or better put, ignorance since he and his home were nowewhere on any agenda)

As the Ds went to work she and her friends started their usual histronics, calling names, cursing, calling soldiers murders, pigs, and worse. Hmmm, sounds familiar.

As with any medium scale Security Op there barricades like the ones police use in the West ro cordon off areas of danger. There was also IDF Observers and other Security personel present, as well as the usual IDF Infantry Permiter.


Ms. Corrie and others REPEATEDLY crossed barriers, walked in the path of Ds, and interfered with the Swcurity Operations of a well armed army in a forieng nation. Funny, do not see many ISMers in Sri Lanka, Tibet, or Chechnya. Only Issrael is stupid enough to allow foriengers with no real business to enter conmtentious areas and even witness Security Ops.

D9s for those that do not know are huge machines on their own. When the IDF modifications are done however visibility is reducred to the low 2 digits, an average of 16%. CCTV alows the operator greater operational ability, as do specific observers communicating by radio, and one riding in the cab with the operator just to monitor the CCTV at all times. CCTV though is not magic, it has blind spots, as do the machines themselves.

In addition, as such a large machine, it has great momentum. Its engine is rated by the book at 416 HP I believe but our modifications, not able to disclose, boost that considerably. Its blade though is 7 X14 feet, so imagine the cab?The dimesioans are enormous and a small giurl as she was, is going to be a blip on an operator's CCTV screen, and if lucky al around the oberserver will havge spotted her. When a person like Ms. Corrie repeatedly runs in front of the machines, repeatedly being dragged away kicking, screaming in her little megaphone, and spitting, anything can happen and sadly did.

I find it amazing that people still have the gall to cal ISM a peace organisation. I guess they missed that little incident on the "WB" when the IDF in pursuit of a wanted terroists with many kills to his "credit" ran into their office. Seeing him do so they knocked on the then locked door and they refused to open the door. When it was forcibly taken down they tried to prevent the IDF from its pursuit, physicaly involving themselves as they so often do, guess peace is only in increments?

Found the man of course, as well as a more interesting find in an office, a cache of weaponry....Hmmmm....I guess people also forget how Ms. Corrie allowed herselves to stand in front of a class of Gazan tots, burning an American flag, grinning as people took pics of the young lady.

Then doctored photos turn up, her death is manipulated, even by Arabs although most even in pubic interviews expressed aggravation with the group of "do-gooders" who always got in the way of one or both sides. In reality? PRC actually came at AK point and threatned their lives in order to get them to leave, other unaffiliated gunme actually fired at their little camp. Arabs generally hate the foreigners as much as we do. The foreigners have their own agendas, and use the situation to ehr own advantage and Arabs are not a stupid people, nor naive. What did the etter ISM was discussing the day she died say? It was an Arabic eaflet calling the group "nasty foreign bitc%^s." The dynamic is not as many here imagine it is.

These foreign fools come, add to the violence (co-founder, Jewish by the way if anyone cares, says that "'Palestinians' have the right to use any form of violence since it is valid resistance" and yet Israelis are oppressors and brutal? WHAT?), almost always do not speak either of our two languages (Hebrew and Arabic). Using interpreters and guides, they muckrake, abuse, and take highly partisan and divisive stands. They interfere with a highly militarised nation's Security and Ops used to ensure that Security, and then whine when it goes against their wishes.They force their way into Arab schools and such and even Arafat, who praised her for proaganda aftyer she died, cursed the group when 10 of their stupid a##es ran into the Bet'l'chem Nativity Church and began to steal PLO limelight from the ensconced militants. Stay home then, as they should have, or come to people who want "your flag burning help."

You enter a war zone, you assume risk. That Israel would even allow foreigners, anti-Israel at that, into Gazas shows that their caims are nonsense. If Israel s the Oppressor, why allow sworn enemies to capitalise on it? What nation on the planet does it?

Do readers here know that at 4 that afternoon Arab snipers fired at our men and a grenade was tossed towards the IDf tank guranding the site with the Perimter? Why did ISM not leave then? Corrie might have had terrible judgement but there 8 of the 9 Gazan members there . Why did thery then continue to stay and try and throw down barriers? An hour later she is in front of a D9, kneeling???

Then, to top off this balagan,who writes the "eyewitness report" that gets picked up all over the world? "Joe Smith." That is right, Joe Carr the UK citizen who doctored the damn photos. Telling everyone it was inetitional because he witnessed it. What a fraud.



More waffle ZERO links.

Just provide me with the evidence that the ISM leadership confessed to doctoring those photos rach-and whilst you're at it proof for the other two claims.

n case you haven't notice-this thread is STILL devoid of the proof. Why do you think that is? Are we all crap at using google?
 
204 Views Rach and not one single piece of evidence. Just goes to show-you were exaggerating/lying. No one backing you up in the slightest.
 
Just stick the lying racist on ignore. Really easy. When he realises no-one is listening to his filth he'll wander off someplace else to peddle his horseshit.
 
You are really sad. I will pray for you though, as I pray for all the broekn toys in this forum. Novel though, a thread dedicated to riding me. Almost like the thread that Mee whatever the heck his name was iniated about banning me. He ended up getting banned shotyl after I believe. Something to think bout maybe? Play nice.
 
You are really sad. I will pray for you though, as I pray for all the broekn toys in this forum. Novel though, a thread dedicated to riding me. Almost like the thread that Mee whatever the heck his name was iniated about banning me. He ended up getting banned shotyl after I believe. Something to think bout maybe? Play nice.


You're still waffling. Please stay out of this thread until you provide the evidence. Until then I welcome any other forums users who may be able to provide this 'readily available' evidence.
 
Number one, you call me out on a thread and then cry foul when I participate in a civil manner. Hope you realise that most intelligent and rational people will recognise your hypocrisy here.

Secondly, you have no control over any member who wishes to post in any thread you post. That is the nature of a PUBLIC Forum.

Finally, when will you cease coc$ riding and begin dealing with issues in an adult way?

Since I have seen you first post here, you have been doing nothing but riding me, or trying to do so, and that is sad. You doubt my veracity? That is fine, but why discuss it in every thread and destroy perfectly good threads? Why not simply put me on Ignore if my posting and/or presence disturbs you so much?

Instead you are being selfish and childish.

I am sure this will merely elicit an atrocious response from you. I pray though that you find inner peace and maturity. Everyone has a spark of the Creator inside of them so that even the most vile of people deserves to be recognised as such. Good luck in that respect.
 
You're still waffling. Please stay out of this thread until you provide the evidence....
None of my business, it's your personal thread and the Editor seems to have given you carte blanche, but since the whole point of it is to wind him up that's an odd thing to say.
 
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