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Robin Hood Gardens

The people who live there don't want it knocked down - they've been nobbled in a skewed "consultation" by promises that only kick in if they vote for demolition. The culprit is Tower Hamlets council who have never maintained it and now want to sell it off to speculators. I can assure you if you think that is a drab shithole, what will replace it will be worse, but without the enormous public garden.

It may not be to everyone's tastes, but it is an outstandingly bold and unique building which properly cared for

And as for "posho bastard architects" - well, if your going to use that sort of intemperate language, may I be the first to point out you're just thick philistine scum? :)
 
The building is brutalist in appearance, is one of the worst examples of the failure of "streets in the sky" in deck access blocks because no one feels responsible for the communal areas, and has been appallingly maintained by Tower Hamlets. Even a nostalgist for modern architecture like me finds it impossible to love.

BUT ... the flats are generously sized, and I suspect you could revamp Robin Hood Gardens in much the same way that the barrier block in Brixton was made habitable again.
All those tenants who have voted for demolition will get a nasty shock when they see the rabbit hutch room sizes of any replacements.

Hugh Pearman article from five years ago on the hyped reputation of the architects - Peter and Alison Smithson

For another view:

It's a great place to live, absolutely

Building Design Magazine's Petition to Save Robin Hood Gardens
 
Thought I'd bump this thread ....

The latest is that English Heritage / DCMS decided not to list the building which would prevent it from being demolished.

The Twentieth Century Society, I understand, has launched an appeal in an attempt to get them to reconsider this.

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=426&storycode=3118015&c=2

I've never actually visited the place myself, so won't offer an opinion right now ... but I do intend to go and have a look at it in the near future.
 
It's mainly to do with its significance as a piece of British architectural history. It is certainly a very bold building and much better in most respects than the majority of that period.

It may have its flaws, but there have been many suggestions as to how it could be refurbished to eliminate the various problems. And, many of the problems it suffers are arguably as much to with its location and the way in which it has been neglected by the council.

As pointed out above, the housing that would replace it, if it were demolished, would probably not actually be better, certainly in terms of space standards, anyway.

The refurbishment of the Brunswick Centre in Bloomsbury is a good example of the way buildings of this era can be successfully adapted:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2006/oct/23/architecture.communities
 
I'm not sure whether things should be saved because they are architectual history. It's not a pretty building and I wonder how much it is liked by the people who live near it. I can't imagine people 50 years from now appreciating it's form.

However I agree that any new building would probably not be any more aestheticly pleasing and probably not of architectual significance.
 
The results of Building Design magazine's ideas competition for refurbishing/reusing the existing buildings were depressing.

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Even making allowance for English not being the first language for some of the competition entrants, several of the architects' comments suggested that the profession is more out of the touch with the real world than for a long time
 
The results of Building Design magazine's ideas competition for refurbishing/reusing the existing buildings were depressing.

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Even making allowance for English not being the first language for some of the competition entrants, several of the architects' comments suggested that the profession is more out of the touch with the real world than for a long time


Will those who flats are covered by those things be able to see out of them?

Or will their world be a haze of what ever colour the plastic (?) things are?
 
I'm not sure whether things should be saved because they are architectual history. It's not a pretty building and I wonder how much it is liked by the people who live near it. I can't imagine people 50 years from now appreciating it's form.

However I agree that any new building would probably not be any more aestheticly pleasing and probably not of architectual significance.

I went to have a look at the estate a couple of days ago. I don't think it's really possible to pass much comment on these things without seeing the reality for yourself.

The first important thing to understand is its location. In between two major and very busy roads. The two blocks are arranged along the edges of the site and shield the central garden from the noise of the roads. The block on the East side is a bit higher than the block on the West side. To the North of the site is low-rise housing and to the South, some industrial units, then another major road and the elevated DLR. This photo is taken from the DLR station. You can see the two main blocks, with the green space in between:

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I think it's worth bearing in mind that whatever replaces it will still have to deal with this rather difficult site and will inherit some of the problems inherent in it.

Obviously I couldn't get inside any of the flats so I can't say much about what they are like inside. But from what I understand, they are quite generous in terms of space and more so than any replacements would likely be.

The buildings are in pretty bad condition, with bits of the concrete facade panels broken off, and window frames not particularly well maintained. In addition to this there have been numerous alterations and additions which are totally unsympathetic to the original architectural intentions. So all this has to be borne in mind when considering how "beautiful" or otherwise the building is, and what it could look like if properly renovated and then properly taken care of.

Anyway, here are some of the things which I think are nice about the building, although these are of course entirely subjective and just my personal opinion:

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Both of the blocks have quite a pleasing snake-like form, bending at several points along their length which makes them a lot more humane than many blocks of this era, and also helps to enclose the central garden.

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The facades are quite interesting, with a strong pattern created by those vertical elements arranged along their lengths, which are quite pleasing when the sun starts casting shadows across them. The facades are broken up in other ways, for example with balcony recesses. This means they aren't the dismally flat and repetitive and faces presented by most other housing blocks of the time. The facades in particular, I think, have the potential to look a lot better than they do if they were cleaned up and fixed, with windows replaced and so forth.

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Possibly the most appealing thing about the scheme - certainly for those not convinced by the merits of concrete-built modernist architecture, anyway - is the generous central garden area, which is very effectively shielded from the noise of the surrounding roads and is a surprisingly tranquil place.

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Its main feature is the big artificial "mountain" in the middle which I seem to remember reading was created from the spill created when the estate was built.

There is little chance that a garden of this size would be retained in whatever scheme might replace it.

So in conclusion ... my personal opinion only, of course ...

I don't think it's an outstanding architectural masterpiece of massive international significance. However, I do think it's a nice example of the better end of the range large-scale housing built in that era, and it is fairly unique in a number of ways. I think if kept it would be a useful historical example to have amongst our architectural heritage, (there's as much to be learnt from its failures as there is from its successes).

I think it has lots of potential to be renovated and turned into a pleasant place to live, of equal or better quality to what is likely to be provided as new build.

I can also see that the site has potential to be developed at much higher density, and I can see that there is a lot of money to be made for someone in doing so, and I can see that this fact might just cloud judgements about its architectural merit and also the interests of its current residents.

So I think there is quite a strong argument for listing it in order to prevent its demolition.

We will see what happens.
 
I used to live next to it and walked through it to get to the DLR, and don't remember ever seeing anyone using the teletubby-style garden. Most depressing place I've ever seen, dark walkways, flickering lights, kids throwing stuff at pedestrians, the whole place just looks decaying.
 
I used to live next to it and walked through it to get to the DLR, and don't remember ever seeing anyone using the teletubby-style garden. Most depressing place I've ever seen, dark walkways, flickering lights, kids throwing stuff at pedestrians, the whole place just looks decaying.

Fair enough. Can you imagine any hope for it given a bit of TLC though?

The thing is, that almost any building can become depressing and grim if it's neglected and not looked after properly.
 
Fair enough. Can you imagine any hope for it given a bit of TLC though?

The thing is, that almost any building can become depressing and grim if it's neglected and not looked after properly.

If the council put any effort in I'm sure it could be a lot nicer.
 
Like most UK brutalist buildings, it would be immeasurably improved by whitewashing the concrete - which would then look shite in about a week, but hey.

I dunno - I like the finish on the concrete (as opposed to the Bow version of the Trellis tower, with is scratchy unfinished look), but shape wise it's not pretty, and it's too 'busy'. If you're going to design something that Stalin would have loved at least minimise the amount of different surfaces.

I'd say refurb, but I've never had to live there, nor ever will so...
 
I used to live next to it and walked through it to get to the DLR, and don't remember ever seeing anyone using the teletubby-style garden. Most depressing place I've ever seen, dark walkways, flickering lights, kids throwing stuff at pedestrians, the whole place just looks decaying.

It's not a 'teletubbies' garden - the architects created the space specially because very few Londoners get to look out onto a hill/slope - it's quite unique, unless you're rich enough to live in Primrose Hill.
 
Good photos, Teuchter.

For what it 'could look like' if given some TLC, someone more websavvy than me could simply post up photos of the (unsurprisingly extremely well-looked after) Economist building in St James', by the same architects.
 
Another bump...

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=3131788

English Heritage have rejected the appeal by the C20th society and have refused to change their decision on listing: ie. they still do not consider it worthy of listing.

It seems it's now in the hands of Tower Hamlets and the (new) architecture minister Barbara Follett to make their final decision.

I don't know whether Barbara Follett has a different view to Margaret Hodge, who seemed quite happy to see the building demolished.



Happened to find this blog article from last year which is quite a good one:

http://www.cityofsound.com/blog/2008/03/robin-hood-gard.html
 
RHG latest... one of the residents has conducted a survey suggesting that the majority of the residents want it refurbished rather than replaced. Doesn't sound like an especially scientific survey, mind, but then again it's questionable whether the Tower Hamlets one was either.

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=426&storycode=3143573&channel=783&c=2

Tower Hamlets Council has consistently claimed that more than 80% of residents are in favour of bulldozing it and re-housing them in new homes.

But resident Darren Pauling, who has lived at Robin Hood Gardens for more than a decade, has now carried out his own survey with the help of Bengali interpreters. It suggests that around 80% in fact want Robin Hood Gardens retained and refurbished.

BD revealed last year that the consultation leaflets used by the council pushed the public to reject refurbishment by listing six positive outcomes of demolition including new community facilities compared to only three associated with redevelopment.

“I managed to speak to 60 people in the [eastern] building and 48 of those said they wanted it refurbished,” Pauling said. “Where is the council getting this figure of 80% from? I’ve had concerns about this right from the start and I’ve got the sense that the council has always tried to persuade us this is the best option.”
 
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