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Britain Institutes Death Penalty

CyberRose said:
Something's not right about this story, that is the only website in the world that is covering it, a day before he is due to be deported...

Not saying it's not true, but it just seems a bit strange...

(It's also illegal for the UK to do this, btw)
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Since when has the govt or police given a toss about the law?
 
CyberRose said:
Something's not right about this story, that is the only website in the world that is covering it, a day before he is due to be deported...

Not saying it's not true, but it just seems a bit strange...

(It's also illegal for the UK to do this, btw)
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FYI, Craig Murray used to be the British Ambassador to Uzbekistan.

He tried to highlight human rights abuses in that country (whose leader was/is considered a ''friendly'' to the US "war on terror") and for his efforts, Murray was vilified and hounded out of his job.

He has a lot of contacts and sources among Uzbek opposition and dissidents, he's really well tapped into information in and about that country (not to mention his wife is Uzbek and speaks the lingo).
 
AnnO'Neemus said:
FYI, Craig Murray used to be the British Ambassador to Uzbekistan.

He tried to highlight human rights abuses in that country (whose leader was/is considered a ''friendly'' to the US "war on terror") and for his efforts, Murray was vilified and hounded out of his job.

He has a lot of contacts and sources among Uzbek opposition and dissidents, he's really well tapped into information in and about that country (not to mention his wife is Uzbek and speaks the lingo).
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I know all that. I just found it strange that this was the only source, espeically considering they must have been deciding whether to deport him for a while and there has been no info from groups like Amnesty etc. Yet now all of a sudden the info comes out only a day before he is due to be sent back? And like I said, it is not permitted by law to send him to anywhere where it's likely he will be sentenced to death.

Like I said, I'm not dismissing the story, I just think there's something not right with it...
 
Attica said:
Since when has the govt or police given a toss about the law?
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But this is real (UK) law, not fake international law that cannot be enforced (I assume you're referring to the Iraq war about the government, not sure which laws the police are supposedly above however...)
 
CyberRose said:
But this is real (UK) law, not fake international law that cannot be enforced (I assume you're referring to the Iraq war about the government, not sure which laws the police are supposedly above however...)
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Loads have got away with soooo many crimes. Most would have to arrest themselves for little things like speeding etc but they never do.... Police are convicted for every crime under the Sun even though it is harder for crimes against police to be taken seriously - except for causing deaths in custody... The system protects those that does its dirty work for them...
 
Attica said:
Loads have got away with soooo many crimes. Most would have to arrest themselves for little things like speeding etc but they never do.... Police are convicted for every crime under the Sun even though it is harder for crimes against police to be taken seriously - except for causing deaths in custody... The system protects those that does its dirty work for them...
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Fuck me everyone in the world has probably committed a crime of some description and got away with it - I'm pretty sure you have at some point in your life. Does that mean, following your logic, that everyone in the world is above the law? Of course not. It's a bloody stupid comment.

The fact is, it is illegal for somebody to be deported to a country where they will be sentenced to death. That, added to the apparent complete lack of any information about this case, brings me to the conclusion there is something not right about it...
 
Jahongir Sidikov doesn't get a mention when I google news it, why is this? Craig Murray is an interesting character, he has a website hosted in Holland because of his knowledge of how UK security and propaganda works,

Could urbanites get the story onto google news search somehow. Jahongir Sidikov deserves to be known
 
chymaera said:
Can you quote me the English law applicable please.
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Charter of Fundemental Rights of the European Union said:
No one may be removed, expelled or extradited to a State where there is a serious risk that he or she would be subjected to the death penalty, torture or other inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/comparl/libe/elsj/charter/art19/default_en.htm
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And before you say the UK has not signed up to this, this particular Article is made up of the various, legally binding, international agreements that the UK has already signed up to, including UN laws, Council of Europe laws and EU laws, all of which have been incorporated into UK law
 
jonH said:
Jahongir Sidikov doesn't get a mention when I google news it, why is this? Craig Murray is an interesting character, he has a website hosted in Holland because of his knowledge of how UK security and propaganda works,

Could urbanites get the story onto google news search somehow. Jahongir Sidikov deserves to be known
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Yes.
 
CyberRose said:
Fuck me everyone in the world has probably committed a crime of some description and got away with it - I'm pretty sure you have at some point in your life. Does that mean, following your logic, that everyone in the world is above the law? Of course not. It's a bloody stupid comment.
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You miss the point. These law enforcers are entrusted to enforce the law, that they do so only when they choose to is an important political point. A huge contradiction with the law is the huge amounts of times that the law officers do not enforece the law, upon themselves. And if they do not, why should we be expected to believe in the law....
 
chymaera said:
I was merely asking? So this is not a law made in Britain?
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No but that's beside the point, the Council of Europe Convention is the main law, and it has been incorporated into UK law, and also EU law making it binding on the UK
 
Attica said:
You miss the point. These law enforcers are entrusted to enforce the law, that they do so only when they choose to is an important political point. A huge contradiction with the law is the huge amounts of times that the law officers do not enforece the law, upon themselves. And if they do not, why should we be expected to believe in the law....
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Well no offence but I think you're talking rubbish, especially in this context...
 
chymaera said:
Not to me it isn't. So it is a law forced on us and not voted in by our elected representatives.
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Er no, the UK government (at the time) ratified the Council of Europe Convention on their own. It was the decision of the UK. Whether Parliament voted on it I don't know. Either way, are you trying to suggest that this law should not have been ratified? :confused:

Do you actually support deporting people to their death?
 
CyberRose said:
Do you actually support deporting people to their death?
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If they have commited a crime in Britain, yes.
We have more than enough home grown bandits without the need for imported ones.
 
chymaera said:
If they have commited a crime in Britain, yes.
We have more than enough home grown bandits without the need for imported ones.
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I don't think I need to say anything more to you do I?
 
chymaera said:
If they have commited a crime in Britain, yes.
We have more than enough home grown bandits without the need for imported ones.
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Did you actually read the OP before you allowed your knee to start jerking furiously? The guy hasn't committed a crime here. He's an asylum seeker who is being returned to a country where he faces torture/death
 
Our asylum system is contracted out to GEO/Wackenhut - there's a thread about them somewhere on urban (which is how I know about that). I'll try and find it.
 
Attica said:
Since when has the govt or police given a toss about the law?
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Now, thats not fair. They seem to care an awful lot whenever there are kids swearing, or fines to be exacted.
 
Das Uberdog said:
Now, thats not fair. They seem to care an awful lot whenever there are kids swearing, or fines to be exacted.
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Fuck me you guys are hilarious aren't you!

Unfortunately for your little back-patting game, this particular UK law, as it is actually incorporated into EU law, is not enforceable by the UK but by the European Court of Justice. It is only possible for someone/thing to be above a law if they are responsible for enforcing it. The EU is responsible for enforcing EU laws and therefore it is not possible for the UK to be "above" this particular law...

If this story is real, then I suggest someone suggests taking it up with the EU Court of First Instance where they can accuse the UK of breaking EU law

http://curia.europa.eu/en/instit/presentationfr/index_tpi.htm
 
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