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so whats all this fuss about the precariat?

Top Dog

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Following the bitching on the Libcom thread that has spilled over to return to the slagging of the Mayday Tesco’s action in London, I’m interested to know why people feel so strongly about the emergence of any discussion of precarity: the condition. Ive been involved myself in the Precarity Assembly for a while now (no, im not a womble) and it's clear that willingness to engage in discussion about new tendencies within the capitalist organisation of work (precarity) outside of the PA has been pish poor - bar a bit of lip service.

So here’s a half-arsed attempt at at least getting a page of sensible points before the trolling/derailing abates it. Before beginning though I want to dispel a few assumptions, challenge a few lazy parodies and burn down some strawmen about what the debate on precarity is (in UK and Europe) and look at the terrain where debate on precarity is actually taking place (apologies in advance for any jargonese, but i make no apologies for the uk-centric position). So firstly:

Is precarity ‘new’?
Course not. A precarious existence within capitalism has always been the situation since the ‘creation’ of the working class. The ‘blip’ if there was one, has been the 50 years of the welfare state, where we have ‘enjoyed’ social democracy and the protections that it affords the working class: upholding of rights, conditions, bargaining, health service, comprehensive education etc. etc. However you may have noticed that for the last 25+ years social democracy has been in retreat. So where does that leave struggles today that would previously have been mediated by its working class representations: the trade union movement? We are faced with the question of how and where class struggle will re-emerge? What forms will it take, which sectors will it encompass (or stated more controversially) which ‘subjectivities’ will be created? Some of the unions have begun to awaken and see the writing on the wall for their futures and have been attempting recently to reinvent themselves to address these changes.

Capital has recomposed the working class twice over since the war and this coming as a large part of the working class asserting itself and rupturing the logic of the social contact, demanding a better life and for lots of people, attempting to escape its shitty existence. The final moves from manufacturing to a finance base in the UK sealed the fate of the post war working class and has recomposed its sons and daughters – us – into a world where once again we’re left to fight the bare teeth of unfettered capital accumulation. But fight it with less weapons at our disposal it would seem, than our parents. And we have leftists handing out the blunt weapons of a bygone age. Rather like trying to fight heat seeking missiles with Mauser rifles!

Is there a ‘Precariat’?
This is the thorny one and one that is at heart I think of a lot of the controversy. Let me nail my colours to the post first… I think that trying to invent a new social category of ‘precariat’ is a doomed misson. It’s flawed both in concept and in strategy… The attempt in some quarters(particularly in Italy) to reinvent operaismo (the workerist tradition) by creating another new social subject, imbued with particular ‘revolutionary’ characteristics, is, in my view, a wrong headed approach and only repeats some of the errors made by certain currents of Italian autonomism.

We end up being faced then with the question that; if there is a ‘precariat’ what is it in relation to the ‘proletariat’? And, following the operaist schema through, crucially: who does it encompass? So we get problems such as: do creative media workers have the same social experience as minimum wage cleaners? well, on one level it is possible to say they do (its all wage slavery after all), but it would be absurd to extrapolate that out and flatten the experience to a 2-dimensional reality and deny that there might be problems with such a wide conception.

But on this subject, it is probably worth also pointing out thats there is no one line on this debate within the european precarity networks, rather, there seems to be a fairly healthy and robust debate on the category (and whether it is indeed a category), in fact.

And what is it we are fighting for?
Again, another thorny issue… As subjects whose lives are increasingly impinged on by preacarity, where there is no such thing as clocking in and out of work, what is it we want? Who is the ‘we’? Are we fighting for more work or less work? Is the fight about making ‘demands’ on a decaying social democracy for the re-establishment of workers’ ‘rights’ or fighting to abolish work and create new realities, new social relationships?

And following that, does the erosion of social democracy create new possibilities further down the line or should we be fighting to reinvent social democracy for a modern world a return of those safeguards and certainties? These are some of the questions that are being discussed and considered currently within the precarity assembly, with the aim of a better understanding of what exactly the condition means and how as subjects we engage ourselves with our own lives and with collective struggles.

So why has discussion of the condition been trivialised or even discounted here? Can anyone seriously argue that the means that we used to fight capital with can still be used today?
 
Firstly: on the narrow point that 'precarity' discussions are ridiculed by many on here - I think you're conflating hostility to the usage of terms (precarity, precariousness, precariat) to an unwillingness to acknowledge the phenomenon. The ridicule on here has been levelled at the activistese that has been used to discuss the topic, rather than at a concern with changing working conditions.

(and what would I use instead: casualisation, along with specific terms for aspects of the process. Largely because the term is more obviously self-explanatory)

I'll get back to the wider point later on.
 
Sorry. said:
The ridicule on here has been levelled at the activistese that has been used to discuss the topic, rather than at a concern with changing working conditions.

(and what would I use instead: casualisation, along with specific terms for aspects of the process. Largely because the term is more obviously self-explanatory)
what i neglected to mention in the OP is that discussion of the terminlogy has displaced any discussion of the condition itself ;) If only it was a simple as replacing 'precarity' for 'casualisation', but the trends in late capitalism are far wider than simply the casualisation of work
Sorry. said:
I'll get back to the wider point later on.
Look forward to it
 
Oooo...that means I am a member of the precariat. :cool:

By the way, "The great majority of jobs in Britain—92 percent in the year 2000—remain permanent with traditional forms of contract."

Office for National Statistics, Social Trends 2001, Table 4.6, p88.
 
mattkidd12 said:
Oooo...that means I am a member of the precariat. :cool:

By the way, "The great majority of jobs in Britain—92 percent in the year 2000—remain permanent with traditional forms of contract."

Office for National Statistics, Social Trends 2001, Table 4.6, p88.
and what about those without jobs, for whom social welfare has been rolled back? And while we're at it what those on underpaid part-time permanent jobs. And students... yeah you heard me the first time...students? Still, if the ONS says its true, i guess it must. Maybe you can find out and let us know what they have to say on how many people are working class. We can resolve that question this afternoon an all :p
 
mattkidd12 said:
Oooo...that means I am a member of the precariat. :cool:

By the way, "The great majority of jobs in Britain—92 percent in the year 2000—remain permanent with traditional forms of contract."

Office for National Statistics, Social Trends 2001, Table 4.6, p88.

This is something I am *very* interested in doing research on, so any suggestions on how this is done is very much appreciated. You are right, the rate of contracting is very low, but the trouble with that statistic is that it can mask other processess (and how big or how widespread these are I don't know) for example

*it doesn't capture the growth of people who are forced to be self-employed and contract their labour back to their original employer (so that the employer doesn't have to pay holiday pay, sick pay etc). For example, I just happen to have occupational data for Ireland before me, and looking at builders there has been a big increase in the category 'employer or own account worker'. Does that mean that there has been an increase in small businesses? Probably not. It probably means that there has been an increase in precarious working conditions among builders who are forced to be "self-employed"

* Also the figure doesn't tell you whether people are working permenantly for the company they work for or permenantly for a job agency, who then leases their labour to a third party.

* It also doesn't tell you anything about how long people on permenant contracts work for - you could be on a permenant contract but also insecure in that your employer can easily fire you (and on the other end of the scale, you could be on a temporary contract but quite secure because you have skills that are in demand - eg computer programmers in Ireland).

* It doesn't tell you if the nature of their job has changed - is it more intense? Is there more insecurity about the role that is being done?

* Finally the statistic doesn't tell you anything about the risks you face if you loose your job. This is why the precarity debate is about more than just work. You might be permenant, but if you loose your job, you also loose your house, go into massive debt, can't afford healthcare, to care for your aged parents, well then although you are permenant the social costs of loosing your job are very great, hence a sence of insecurity.
 
By the way, [plug, plug]. I wrote an article looking at some of these issues in the last Red and Black Revolution, available at all good bookshops near you (well it should be in Freedom and Housemans).
 
Top Dog said:
what i neglected to mention in the OP is that discussion of the terminlogy has displaced any discussion of the condition itself ;) If only it was a simple as replacing 'precarity' for 'casualisation', but the trends in late capitalism are far wider than simply the casualisation of workLook forward to it

You say in the OP that it's not new - in fact it's the condition of the working class under capitalism, and the precondition for capitalism as a social system. The criticism of "precarity" is the attempt to present it as something new - in part by using a new (to most people) word. Frankly, if people on here think something is jargonistic and wanky, then it's likely people elsewhere will find it even more jargonistic and wanky.

For other terms casualisation isn't bad. Yes it mainly describes work, but that's a good thing - people understand what it means and how it works within that context.

There are perfectly good words to describe the attacks on welfare - like "attacks on welfare", or "rolling back the welfare state", or "neo-liberalist reforms of public services" - so why not use those?

Precarity is presented as a unifying concept to describe the totality of certain peoples' experience under late-capitalism in one word (and a crap word at that). By trying to be a catch-all for lots of different things, it ends up meaningless and remote. It's not necessary to use the same word for a table and chair to understand that they're both items of furniture.

It also suggests a movement into an entirely new era of production, which I'd strongly disagree is the case. It divides the working class into the secure and precarious - whether in housing, work or whatever, and as you suggested yourself, lends itself to claims for a return to social democracy, or jobs for life - which not everyone wants even within the confines of capitalism.

I'm happy to talk about casualisation, attacks on benefit, the housing situation - but as you've proved precarity is an obstacle to useful discussions on these subjects or how they're linked.
 
sovietpop said:
This is something I am *very* interested in doing research on, so any suggestions on how this is done is very much appreciated. You are right, the rate of contracting is very low, but the trouble with that statistic is that it can mask other processess (and how big or how widespread these are I don't know) for example

*it doesn't capture the growth of people who are forced to be self-employed and contract their labour back to their original employer (so that the employer doesn't have to pay holiday pay, sick pay etc). For example, I just happen to have occupational data for Ireland before me, and looking at builders there has been a big increase in the category 'employer or own account worker'. Does that mean that there has been an increase in small businesses? Probably not. It probably means that there has been an increase in precarious working conditions among builders who are forced to be "self-employed"

* Also the figure doesn't tell you whether people are working permenantly for the company they work for or permenantly for a job agency, who then leases their labour to a third party.

* It also doesn't tell you anything about how long people on permenant contracts work for - you could be on a permenant contract but also insecure in that your employer can easily fire you (and on the other end of the scale, you could be on a temporary contract but quite secure because you have skills that are in demand - eg computer programmers in Ireland).

* It doesn't tell you if the nature of their job has changed - is it more intense? Is there more insecurity about the role that is being done?

* Finally the statistic doesn't tell you anything about the risks you face if you loose your job. This is why the precarity debate is about more than just work. You might be permenant, but if you loose your job, you also loose your house, go into massive debt, can't afford healthcare, to care for your aged parents, well then although you are permenant the social costs of loosing your job are very great, hence a sence of insecurity.

why the fuck is this kind of shit news to anyone and why the fuck does it need a new term for it, it was quite clearly covered within the proletariat and in the case of the WOMBLES declasse scum.
 
sovietpop said:
For example, I just happen to have occupational data for Ireland before me, and looking at builders there has been a big increase in the category 'employer or own account worker'. Does that mean that there has been an increase in small businesses? Probably not. It probably means that there has been an increase in precarious working conditions among builders who are forced to be "self-employed"

See this is another problem with it. Another thing that's mentioned on the libcom spat (by me) is the Laing workers at Kings Cross. They were objecting to Laing trying to take them on as employees with a contract, and wanted to remain self-employed - much higher wages, more control over days off, worse working conditions etc.

You mentioned "insecurity" though - what's wrong with that (the word, not the condition)?
 
revol68 said:
why the fuck is this kind of shit news to anyone and why the fuck does it need a new term for it, it was quite clearly covered within the proletariat
are these conditions to be mobilised against in your view?
 
revol68 said:
why the fuck is this kind of shit news to anyone and why the fuck does it need a new term for it, it was quite clearly covered within the proletariat and in the case of the WOMBLES declasse scum.

you play computer games for a living. You have your internet friends, your suicide girls, your x-box & no reason to ever leave your bedroom again. You are the poster boy for the precarious generation.
 
catch said:
See this is another problem with it. Another thing that's mentioned on the libcom spat (by me) is the Laing workers at Kings Cross. They were objecting to Laing trying to take them on as employees with a contract, and wanted to remain self-employed - much higher wages, more control over days off, worse working conditions etc.

This is very interesting.

catch said:
You mentioned "insecurity" though - what's wrong with that (the word, not the condition)?

you mean, instead of using the word 'precariety"? nothing, I'm not hung up on the words.
 
catch said:
See this is another problem with it. Another thing that's mentioned on the libcom spat (by me) is the Laing workers at Kings Cross. They were objecting to Laing trying to take them on as employees with a contract, and wanted to remain self-employed - much higher wages, more control over days off, worse working conditions etc.
its horses for courses, catch. Find me someone that is going to voluntarillygive up their wage gains... of course certain kinds of leftist would call these people petty bourgeois
 
Look Revol is a Troll. Why don't we ignore him? He has said on other threads that he has no interest in the anarchist movement, he shows that he has no interest in debates, he does nothing. He did his damn't best to ruin Libcom, until they changed their posting rules. Now he's spreading his bile all over Urban75. This has the potential to be an interesting discussion and he is already doing his best to derail it. I spent 10 minutes or so trying to put forward an argument to respond to someone elses query. He spends 20 seconds to swear and slander.

DON"T FEED THE TROLLS
 
sovietpop said:
Look Revol is a Troll. Why don't we ignore him? He has said on other threads that he has no interest in the anarchist movement, he shows that he has no interest in debates, he does nothing. He did his damn't best to ruin Libcom, until they changed their posting rules. Now he's spreading his bile all over Urban75. This has the potential to be an interesting discussion and he is already doing his best to derail it. I spent 10 minutes or so trying to put forward an argument to respond to someone elses query. He spends 20 seconds to swear and slander.

DON"T FEED THE TROLLS

apologies.
 
sovietpop said:
This is very interesting.

I thought so - I'd love to be full time on contract at either of my two and a half jobs right now.

you mean, instead of using the word 'precariety"? nothing, I'm not hung up on the words.
Er yeah, that's what I meant but it wasn't really directed at you, it was directed at Top Dog but not expressed very well.
 
Top Dog said:
its horses for courses, catch. Find me someone that is going to voluntarillygive up their wage gains... of course certain kinds of leftist would call these people petty bourgeois

Only wankers would to be fair. Fact is, their struggle - against a full time contract reducing their working conditions and making them less flexible - is the opposite of what most descriptions of precarity are. It's also not very applicable to highly organised groups of workers in the RMT or FBU - yes there's some flexibilisation (;) being pushed through, but that's not the only thing that disputes flare up about - and there's plenty of disputes which suggests they aren't out of the picture yet.
 
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