Bush lets the truth slip?

Jazzz · Sep 21, 2006

I've taken a lot of flak on these boards for suggesting that the WTC was pre-wired with explosives. So maybe it will come as a surprise that no less an authority than the President of the United States appears to concur!

Bush speech about how wonderful torture is

Here's the section transcribed from the White House website:

For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping.

Notice the pause also when he realises he's put his foot in it, then decides he better just carry on?

Or is it of course that he's simply hopeless, can barely tie his shoelaces without assistance so how can he remember that planes crashed into the WTC?

You decide!

Maggot · Sep 21, 2006

But he's not talking about 9/11 there is he? He's talking about planned attacks

The Groke · Sep 21, 2006

But it doesn't reference the WTC and it specifically says that he (Khalid SHeik Mohammad) is describing "planned attacks" on US buildings - not the attack on the WTC.

Not sure this really says anything at all.

As usual.

Jazzz · Sep 21, 2006

yep fair point. Still, sounds an awful lot like 9/11.

aylee · Sep 21, 2006

Jazzz said:
You decide!

I decide that you're spouting sly, dishonest conspiraloon nonsense again.

Taken in context (which I understand is difficult, if not impossible, for you and your tin foil-clad chums) the piece that you've quoted is clearly a reference to attacks post-dating the information given by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was captured in Pakistan in 2003. What he told the Americans could only have been any use in preventing future attacks. Therefore what he told the Americans about attacks on buildings clearly relates to future attacks and not the September 11th attacks.

I detest Bush and all that he and his cronies and controllers stand for, but criticism from people like you is so wide of the mark, it actually detracts from the more coherent and correct criticisms which are made of his behaviour. :rolleyes:

editor · Sep 21, 2006

Jazzz said:
yep fair point. Still, sounds an awful lot like 9/11.

FFS. Why can't you research things properly before posting up your laughably wide of the mark conspiraloon shite?

aylee said:
I detest Bush and all that he and his cronies and controllers stand for, but criticism from people like you is so wide of the mark, it actually detracts from the more coherent and correct criticisms which are made of his behaviour.

Exactly. Jazzz and his gang of fact-free fools do more harm than good with their idiotic claims.

TAE · Sep 21, 2006

Ignore the bombshell, why don't you ...

The first bill will allow us to use military commissions to try suspected terrorists for war crimes.

You ... f-ing ... what?

KeyboardJockey · Sep 21, 2006

Total Lizard Bollocks.

It will be mind control vaccines next

Bob_the_lost · Sep 21, 2006

KeyboardJockey said:
Total Lizard Bollocks.

It will be mind control vaccines next

Nah, i think the next one is zero point energy from Azrael23 when (if) he returns.

WouldBe · Sep 21, 2006

any article found anywhere said:
blah blah blah bomb blah blah blah blah blah brought down blah blah blah blah....
several pages later
blah blah blah WTC blah blah blah etc

Conspiraloon: "There you are, proof the WTC was blown up". :eek:

ska invita · Sep 21, 2006

"He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."

WEll, thats clearly talking about the WTC - what else could it be about?

However, I thought the conspiracy theory had it that the US put in the bombs, no?

brixtonvilla · Sep 21, 2006

Jazzz said:
You decide!

OK. You're talking total shit as usual. Night!

snorbury · Sep 21, 2006

brixtonvilla said:
OK. You're talking total shit as usual. Night!

It's entertaining, better than talking about women and children being maimed on a daily basis in Afghanistan. Come to think of it, it's what the US govt had planned all along

DexterTCN · Sep 21, 2006

Bush is talking about torturing people. About justifying torture with fantasy confessions relating to t9/11, implied not inferred.

And all you (usual suspects) can do is talk about fucking lizards. And I'm not talking about Jazz, either, even though he's wrong. Bush is implying 9/11. Not because it's a fact...but to justify the torture of people held in illegal prisons by relating it to the events of 9/11. I mean....WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK AMERICANS HEARD when he said that? They were the target audience, weren't they?

Of course that wouldn't come up with you lot. Bring on halloween. As the philosopher said..stare into the abyss long enough...

the information obtained by the central intelligence agency by questioning men like...

entirely passes you by.

Becks would appreciate this.

editor · Sep 21, 2006

DexterTCN said:
Of course that wouldn't come up with you lot. Bring on halloween. As the philosopher said..stare into the abyss long enough...

Sorry? Are you assuming that because we're ridiculing Jazzz's latest bonkers conspiracy yarn that somehow equates to a lack of interest or an absence of disgust at Bush's illegal treatment of 'suspects'?

Jazzz's thread has been treated with all the disdain it deserves

DexterTCN · Sep 21, 2006

Just like the Becks thread you binned the other week then? Disdain seems merely to come from saying 9/11...from that point all logic goes out the window.

Bush was talking about 9/11 , as I said.

Not because it was a conspiraloon delight, but to justify torture.

Just because Jazz is wrong about the reasons Bush was doing it doesn't mean Bush was not doing it.

FridgeMagnet · Sep 21, 2006

Blimey, this must be the weakest connection yet. "It sounds very vaguely like my theory about What Really Happened On Nine Eleven, or it would if he had been talking about that at all, which he wasn't."

FridgeMagnet · Sep 21, 2006

DexterTCN said:
Just like the Becks thread you binned the other week then? Disdain seems merely to come from saying 9/11...from that point all logic goes out the window.

Bush was talking about 9/11 , as I said.

Not because it was a conspiraloon delight, but to justify torture.

Just because Jazz is wrong about the reasons Bush was doing it doesn't mean Bush was not doing it.

Of course he was talking about 9/11, he does it in every speech he makes to try to justify whatever bullshit he wants to promote by association. But this thread is in fact a distraction from that.

DexterTCN · Sep 21, 2006

No...the replies are. Because this is the only thread.

FridgeMagnet · Sep 21, 2006

what

editor · Sep 21, 2006

DexterTCN said:
No...the replies are. Because this is the only thread.

You're going to be disappointed if you expect any thread started by Jazzz to posit anything worthy of serious debate.

There is, however, this thread

lostexpectation · Sep 22, 2006

this is an interesting picture I've never seen before,http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/9-11/wtc-collapse-01.jpg

belies the floor by floor explosives, although I always thought that it did drop straight down, and didn't topple at all, although that was probably the other tower we always see...

Blagsta · Sep 22, 2006

Oh Jazzzz, get a grip.

pk · Sep 22, 2006

Total fucking bollocks copied from some cunt loon website once again.

You going for an olympic medal in bullshittery, Jazzz?

RaverDrew · Sep 22, 2006

lostexpectation said:
this is an interesting picture I've never seen before,http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/9-11/wtc-collapse-01.jpg

belies the floor by floor explosives, although I always thought that it did drop straight down, and didn't topple at all, although that was probably the other tower we always see...

How do you know that picture hasn't been manipulated ?

The darker smoke looks a little false to me, although this lcd panel I'm viewing it on isn't the best, so I stand to be corrected.

Bob_the_lost · Sep 22, 2006

pk said:
Total fucking bollocks copied from some cunt loon website once again.

You going for an olympic medal in bullshittery, Jazzz?

To be frank Jazzz's been making a whole lot more sense than DexterTCN up there :confused:

nick1181 · Sep 22, 2006

lostexpectation said:
this is an interesting picture I've never seen before,http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/9-11/wtc-collapse-01.jpg

I think that one was blown up to full-page size in the Independent a couple of days after. It sends a chill down my spine.

This thread doesn't have a shit-show btw. I don't know why Jazzz bothers.

nick1181 · Sep 22, 2006

DexterTCN said:
Just like the Becks thread you binned the other week then? Disdain seems merely to come from saying 9/11...from that point all logic goes out the window.

Bush was talking about 9/11 , as I said.

Not because it was a conspiraloon delight, but to justify torture.

Just because Jazz is wrong about the reasons Bush was doing it doesn't mean Bush was not doing it.

Well to be fair, if you do a search for 9/11 in the transcript, it comes up 11 times. If it wasn't about 9/11, you could be forgiven that 9/11 was on the President's mind.

I personally am sick to death of it and would happily never hear those numbers again.

Jazzz · Sep 22, 2006

okay - look I saw this on another site at some stupid hour in the morning when I was dog tired but couldn't sleep. I'll hold my hands up, I didn't check it properly. I will stand by stuff I post and believe in but I agree, there's nothing here of any substance so I'll admit that too.

I expect of course that some posters will take a delight in this post and pile in for afters - they should grow up.

FridgeMagnet · Sep 22, 2006

Well, the simple thing to do to avoid being piled in on is check what you post before you post it.

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