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Britain under a "Trotskyist" Government?

kyser_soze said:
I'm amazed that anyone who write po-faced stuff like this laughs at all...
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I'm just playing the game mate, it's nothing serious, just discussing what the original posters said, instead of making shit up.

Having said that. I'm not quite sure. I think if an out an out trotskyist government, rather than radical labour party government, was about to be elected, I don't think the ruling class would wait, I think they would try a coup. In that sense I don't think you could have an elected to trotskyist government. I had jumped to the conclusion, the original poster meant, 'trotskyist government' was based upon workers' councils. So yes, perhaps I fucked up, answering the op.:oops:

Shame on me. I've made a mistake.:D

ETA:
Although I didn't make a mistake. Just ready original post again, and he did suggest that he would be based upon workers' councils etc..:cool:
 
ResistanceMP3 said:
ROFL:D:D
What actually makes me crack up, is that you delusional fuck ups actually believe all this crap.
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Oi, cock-face. You're not supposed to post stuff from one thread onto another. It's against the FAQs and makes you look even more of a mad cunt than you already do.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Oi, cock-face. You're not supposed to post stuff from one thread onto another. It's against the FAQs and makes you look even more of a mad cunt than you already do.
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It supposed to be against anarchist principles to try to wreck things they don't agree with. Supposedly, only SW do that.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=295431
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=297989
Everything pickmans, butchers accuses sw of doing, they do themselves.

And supposedly it is against the FAQ to argue on the topic in the announcement forum. http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=297989

I have a great deal of respect for anarchists, including yourself VP. But I am sorry, butchers, pickmans and some others, are just ignorant arrogant elitist fuckwits. They are an embarrassment to any sort of progressive politics imho. It is just fortunately, they are of no consequence beyond this tiny little corner of cyberspace.

btw. I didn't know butchers was in this thread, if the original poster hadn't started this thread, I might have done it myself for amusement.
 
Rod Sleeves said:
We all make jokes about the gulags and stuff like that, but say that a transitional government was brought to power on the back of mass strikes, and a partial workers insurrection that was just enought to allow a much expanded existing far left party (the SWP, SP, CPB?) to form a government in Whitehall.

What would actually happen?

ETA: There would actually be enough electoral and rank and file workers on the street support for the idea of a radical socialist government to actually be accpetable to a critical mass of people, but that wouldn't mean they were actually socialist themselves, just willing to give it a chance.
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so how would you answer the original post Rod?
 
at the moment the average member of the military would be quite keen on shelling Whitehall or at least going in with bayonets:D you'd get the buggers for sure and the buildings quite pretty:D.
doubt they'd be keen on a military government the clowns in the MOD have a hard enough job making a total balls of defence matters.
nobody would be keen on letting the alleged bright young thrusting things lose with power point and bright ideas on areas they haven't a scoobie about.
although.
 
Rod Sleeves said:
We all make jokes about the gulags and stuff like that, but say that a transitional government was brought to power on the back of mass strikes, and a partial workers insurrection that was just enought to allow a much expanded existing far left party (the SWP, SP, CPB?) to form a government in Whitehall.

What would actually happen?
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The interesting thing here is that hardly anyone has answered this, preferring to speculate about how malign forces would thwart the people's will. I can conclude from this that most lefties have little faith in the possibility of a far left party succeeding in winning power, and haven't ever really thought about what such a government would do if in that position. The only guide they have is a pamphlet written by a long dead Russian, and a book and TV series written by the former Parliamentary Under-Secretary at the Foreign Office.

I think that if it had any sense, it would call a general election and abide by the result. If it won, it would seek to implement its manifesto. If it lost but persisted in trying to run the government, I would hope that our allies abroad would apply strong and severe sanctions.

Assuming it won an election with a majority, I would imagine that we would see a range of policies agreed including nationalisation of utilities, remaining financial institutions, and a withdrawal from NATO and other miitary commitments overseas, as well as a disruption of good relations with a number of partners. The UK's standing in the EU would suffer and it might withdraw in due course. The consequent severe growth in unemployment and increases in the cost of living would be a source of considerable social unrest. The really interesting question is would be how it would deal with these pressures and how it would plan to mitigate them. That is one reason why democratic endorsement would be crucial.

That's what I think would happen.

Do others have an opinon on this?
 
Well quite. It rather relies on some prior economic collapse rendering nationalisation, rationing etc preferable to our consumer-celebrity culture. It'd be a bit like political events following WWII, the public's faith in redistribution and the planned economy would quickly dissipate. We'd have to take out a IMF loan to import energy and food, so they'd end up being the policy makers, not the councils. A cross between the late forties and the seventies. Sounds good. Ha ha.
 
I doubt it would be that popular for very long.
trots not famous for making a go of things not saying torys and labour much better but less likley to scare people who make stuff and sell us stuff:(
 
It would probably be in the same circumstances as the Greens winning in Iceland - a svere national economic crisis. In that case I expec the new leftist government would set about restoring the nations' finances asap and dump most of their previous program, and also try to make peace with the establishment. Which would not work and the leftists would be turfed out after losing the popular support they relied on in the first place...
 
butchersapron said:
Oh so explicitly means not external now does it?
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Urmm well he was replying to posts explicitly talking about internal not external intervention so in this case yes.

Try reading the thread again and then admitting you made a mistake because at the moment to anyone reading the thread and following it you look like a complete idiot.

If you can't reread and admit your error then everyone reading this should lose any respect for your judgment.
 
emanymton said:
Urmm well he was replying to posts explicitly talking about internal not external intervention so in this case yes.

Try reading the thread again and then admitting you made a mistake because at the moment to anyone reading the thread and following it you look like a complete idiot.

If you can't reread and admit your error then everyone reading this should lose any respect for your judgment.
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Go DIRECTLY to the Dustbin of History, do not pass Go, do not collect 200 roubles!
 
emanymton said:
Urmm well he was replying to posts explicitly talking about internal not external intervention so in this case yes.

Try reading the thread again and then admitting you made a mistake because at the moment to anyone reading the thread and following it you look like a complete idiot.

If you can't reread and admit your error then everyone reading this should lose any respect for your judgment.
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i thought you'd been banned :mad:
 
Fullyplumped said:
The only guide they have is a pamphlet written by a long dead Russian, and a book and TV series written by the former Parliamentary Under-Secretary at the Foreign Office.

I think that if it had any sense, it would call a general election and abide by the result. If it won, it would seek to implement its manifesto. If it lost but persisted in trying to run the government, I would hope that our allies abroad would apply strong and severe sanctions.


Do others have an opinon on this?
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Yes, my opinion is that you missed the point, as is your usual way, of A very british Coup'. Attacks to undermine a 'Left' government were ordered not because it lost but because it won.....
 
Random said:
'Stop it now'.
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Stop what? Stop this?
ViolentPanda said:
Oi, cock-face. You're not supposed to post stuff from one thread onto another. It's against the FAQs and makes you look even more of a mad cunt than you already do.
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It supposed to be against anarchist principles to try to wreck things they don't agree with. Supposedly, only SW do that.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=295431
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=297989
Everything pickmans, butchers accuses sw of doing, they do themselves.

And supposedly it is against the FAQ to argue on the topic in the announcement forum. http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=297989

I have a great deal of respect for anarchists, including yourself VP. But I am sorry, butchers, pickmans and some others, are just ignorant arrogant elitist fuckwits. They are an embarrassment to any sort of progressive politics imho. It is just fortunately, they are of no consequence beyond this tiny little corner of cyberspace.

btw. I didn't know butchers was in this thread, if the original poster hadn't started this thread, I might have done it myself for amusement.
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I am really touched, you think the poor delicate pickmans and butchers need protecting from ResistanceMP3 stating the facts.:D:D
 
emanymton said:
Urmm well he was replying to posts explicitly talking about internal not external intervention so in this case yes.

Try reading the thread again and then admitting you made a mistake because at the moment to anyone reading the thread and following it you look like a complete idiot.

If you can't reread and admit your error then everyone reading this should lose any respect for your judgment.
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I bet he doesn't.:cool:
 
Random said:
Go DIRECTLY to the Dustbin of History, do not pass Go, do not collect 200 roubles!
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:D:D
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D'you wanna be in my gang, a my gang, my gang, oh Yeah! Do You ? my gang,
Come On! Come on, come on, Come on, come on, Come on, come on, (2x)
D'you wanna be in my gang , my gang, my gang,
D'you wanna be in my gang, Oh Yeah!
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I can just see Butcher singing this to you lot.
 
emanymton said:
Urmm well he was replying to posts explicitly talking about internal not external intervention so in this case yes.

Try reading the thread again and then admitting you made a mistake because at the moment to anyone reading the thread and following it you look like a complete idiot.

If you can't reread and admit your error then everyone reading this should lose any respect for your judgment.
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No he wasn't, he was replying to a post that mentioned 'establishment' 'intervention' full stop - (maybe i'm naive in thinking that the 'establishment' and its interests actually crosses borders or maybe the 'establishment' actually does only conspire with people from the same state and wouldn't dream of actually linking up with others, like chile for example), which he then narrowed down to internal in his reply without saying so, which he only clarified after me forcing him to. Read the posts again, in proper order and without the new membership card in front of your eyes.

Yes, he was on about internal, no he didn't say that he was, that he'd narrowed a point about intervention full stop into one about internal intervention alone, no i didn't deserve to be called a liar for assuming that he was still referring to the intervention full stop as used in the post he was replying to. His incoherence was, as ever, the problem.
 
butchersapron said:
no he wasn't, he was replying to a post that mentioned 'establishment' 'intervention' full stop - (maybe i'm naive in thinking that the 'establishment' and its interests actually crosses borders or maybe the 'establishment' actually does only conspire with people from the same state and wouldn't dream of actually linking up with others, like chile for example), which he then narrowed down to internal in his reply without saying so, which he only clarified after me forcing him to. Read the posts again, in proper order and without the new membership card in front of your eyes.

Yes, he was on about internal, no he didn't say that he was, that he'd narrowed a point about intervention full stop into one about internal intervention alone, no i didn't deserve to be called a liar for assuming that he was still referring to the intervention full stop as used in the post he was replying to. His incoherence was, as ever, the problem.
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stop fucking lieing.:D
 
This nonsense is starting to impact on other threads, so i'm going back to simply ignoring (most of) this blokes bizzare posts. Happy hunting rmp3!
 
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