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Husserl, Heidegger and Sartre

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Right, here is the thread I promised. I am not great at writing this stuff, so if some of it does not seem clear, point it out and I will do my best to explain. It is from my notes, you see.

I will have to start with an incredibly brief overview of Continental Philosophy

The four main figures of Continental Philosophy are Husserl, Heidegger, Sartre and Merleau-Ponty (I wont deal with Merleau-Ponty here though).

Husserl was the founder of Phenomenology, Heidegger was also a Phenomenologist, but took it in a radical new direction.

Husserl's main target was "naturalism", the objective, scientific world view codified by empiricist philosophers such as Locke, thinking it was unjustified, and would lead to 'Barbarism' (which in a lot of ways actually has) since a world that is fundementally meaningless and seperate from consciousness is liable to become just inert terrain to be manipulated by technology, rather than something to be understood.

So he developed Phenomenology. If we want to know how things really are, we must forget our unthinking alliegence to naturalism and carefully study how things appear to us. The aim of phenomenology is to intuit essences. This is to be achieved through the Epoche, the method of "bracketing" beliefs about the existence of the world, and our scientific understanding of it. Included within the Epoche is my own (empirical) self, which leaves only consciousness to do bracketing - the "transcendental ego". This "methodological sceptism" leaves Husserl free to describe only what is immanent to conciousness. This isolated consciousness is intention - it is always directed upon an intentional object, which may or may not actually exist. (intentional means to be ABOUT something).

Heidegger came to the view that Husserl's epoche is impossible for the reason that the human being is being-in-the-world. There is no transcendental ego to perform the epoche since our existence is essentially that of engagement with the world.

Our connection to the world is not to be understood as one of knowledge - of a logically independent knowing subject representing a known world (the Lockean assumption) - but rather of one of action.

To exist is not just to "be there", in the sense of "occupy a position in time and/or space" - something presupposed by ALL traditional philosophy, as well as common sense philosophy and science.

This misconception arises through break-downs or disruptions of our engagement with the world (Heidegger uses the example of a blacksmith hammering away at a piece of metal, thinking about usual everyday stuff, and only becomes aware of the hammer when it breaks), which philosophy has fixated upon.

Fundementally, our world is a world of action: the projects and challenges we find in the world are constitutive of both what we are and what it is. However, Heidegger also finds our engagement with the world to be something essentially baseless and disconcerting, liable to lead to anxiety and consequently something that provides us with a motive to misinterpret our own Being.

It is important for me to explain that (I could go quite a bit deeper but that should suffice, for now) before I moved onto Sartre.

Sartre is said to have turned "pale with emotion" when he first heard about Husserl's conception of intentionality (it might be good to look that up if you don't know what it is).

Concieving of consciousness as essentially intentional, according to Sartre, is an antidote to the representational theory of mind (THIS IS A CRUCIAL POINT HERE) according to which we know an object is to have an idea of it/form a representation of it, therefore modifying the mind and somehow "taking in" the form of the object. The belief that "the spidery mind trapped things in its web, covered them with a white spit and slowly swallowed them" (don't you just love Sartre?) is replaced by the idea that consciousness can "burst toward" its object, going beyond itself "on the highway, in the midst of dangers, under a dazzling light" (those quotes are from an article Sartre wrote, I will find the name if anybody wants to read it).

This restores the world its transcendence, since the world cannot be IN consciousness: "a table is not in consciousness... a table is in space, beside the window" (B&N xxvii). Moreover, there are no representations (or ideas) in consciousness - these are "idols invented by the psychologists" (B&N 125)

Consciousness does not exist by having ideas, but by "taking" (bursting forward) intentional objects which exist outside of it. Consciousness is not a thing outside (or inside) the world, but rather an unbreakable relationship with the world (ANOTHER KEY POINT HERE). This undermines the idea of realism and idealism that is created by Descartes and the Cogito, and which is the fundemental mistake assumed by almost all philosophers afterwards.

OK

There is more to come on this. I am going to write about Sartre and "the pursuit of being", but I have to go and eat and then I am off out to a special philosophy lecture thingy. I will be back to continue this, there is more to come.
 
The four main figures of Continental Philosophy are Husserl, Heidegger, Sartre and Merleau-Ponty (I wont deal with Merleau-Ponty here though).
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<note in passing> What about Hegel? The ususal accounts are of "les trois H" - ie. Hegel, Husserl and Heidegger.
 
I hoped nobody would notice. Hegel is not quite relevant to what I am arguing here, and he is also such a massive figure in philosophy that a discussion that mentions him in passing either becomes entirely about him, or everybody loses interest. Plus, I don't feel confident enough about my arguments with Hegel to start debating him.

:oops:
 
heh.

I was going to write my dissertation on kierkegaard.

I will write a bit about him in my next bit, if you like

infact, it will be better if I do, then this could potentially accommodate Aldebaraan as well.

:)
 
I do appreciate where you're coming from. No need to write him into your naarrative at this point. But he is a big big fish in the philosophical pond.

edit - Adorno is brilliant - quite brilliant - as a critic of kierkegaard
 
Right. I am back now, and I have done all the things I need to do today. So I am going to tap away and finish the original post off.
 
The Pursuit of Being

Sartre begins Being & Nothingness by praising Husserl: "the dualism of being and appearance is longer entitled any legal status within philosophy. The appearance refers to the total series of appearances and not to a hidden reality ... we can equally reject the dualism of appearance and essence. The appearance does not hide the essence; it reveals it (B&N xxi) (this is inspired by Heidegger).

The point is that "appearance" ("phenomonelogy" is defined by the study of appearances) should not be taken to imply that reality is hidden, but rather that reality is being revealed and has the potential to be revealed in other ways. The essence of the chair is not its nature as described by science (which the appearance does not reveal), but the meaning it has for us (which it does reveal). However Sartre goes on to criticize Husserl's idealism: "if the transcendence of the object is based on the necessity of causing the appearance to be transcended, the result is that on principle an object postis the series of appearances as infinite" (B&N xxiii) Sartre is pointing out that the appearances must be infinite, because if finite we would be able to stop at some point having grasped the whole object. But what grounds this potential infinity? it cannot be a reality behind the appearances (Husserl renounced this), and it cannot be consciousness (because it is intentional). Nothing, it seems, exists in its own right i.e. independently.

Sartre thinks that what grounds the potential infinity must be the being of the appearance itself, and thus sides with Heidegger in thinking that ontology is the crux of phenomenology, rather than essence.

This sets the scene for his descriptions of the two fundemental and transphenomenal ways of being: Being-in-itself and Being-for-itself. Since Sartre holds that the existence of an object must be something beyond its appearing, he rejects any form of idealism (I will come back to this point, I think).

However, since he thinks that the existence of an object is nothing more than the transphenomenality of objects, he also rejects Heideggers question of Being (unlike Heidegger, Sartre tries to solve the traditional problems of philosophy).

Existence, for Sartre, is just a brute fact to which we have non-conceptual access (since it necessarily goes beyond what appears to us). This idea that existence goes beyond appearance and conceptualization is portrayed in his novel La Nausée (Nausea) as something which elicits disgust: it is not something which allows itself to be thought of from a distance: it has to invade you ... pounce upon you, weigh heavily upon your heart like a huge motionless animal (cooper p54).

More to come
 
The Pre-Reflective Cogito: Thetic and Non-Thetic Awareness

Just as existence outstrips the appearance of objects, it outstrips the intentionality of consciousness. All consciousness is intentional, but it must also be self conscious, Sartre argues, because otherwise it would not be possible for it to become an object of reflection upon itself. It is not enough to allow that the intentional object of consciousness can be conscious itself, since if I am aware of my consciousness through a second consciousness which takes the first consciousness as its object, then we are left with the original problem as regards this second consciousness.

But more importantly, this sort of self-consciousness would not make sense given the emptiness of consciousness, since the second consciousness would have nothing new to take as its intentional object: if the first consciousness is exhausted by its intentional object (eg a tree) there can be nothing new for the second consciousness to take as its intentional object (there is still only a tree).

Sarte thinks that consciousness must have a primitive form of self-awareness, which he calls 'non-thetic' awareness. All consciousness has a non-thetic awareness of itself, which is non intentional, and which facilitates thetic awareness of intentional objects. Sartre calls this a "pre-reflective cogito" (B&N xxix): it is only because Descartes' mental states have this primitive self-awareness that he can have thetic awareness of his thinking, and consequently know that he is thinking. So the being of consciousness is to be non-thetically aware of itself being thetically aware of an intentional object (which may be an object in the world or another state of consciousness.

still more to come. Maybe one or two more posts.
 
Between Realism and Idealism

I think I already mentioned above why Sartre rejects Idealism. Realism, as Sartre understands it, claims that consciousness contains representations of objects, and that the representations and objects are independent of each other.

Sartre rejects realism, because he holds that consciousness is empty, and is not independent of its objects: "consciousness is born and supported by a being which is not itselt. This is what we call the ontological proof." (B&N xxxvi).

Since the being of consciousness is dependent on its objects, they must be real. This is a relation of being, not knowledge: where Descartes looked for a proof of the external world in reflective consciousness, it was really there at the pre-reflective level. Sartre sees himself as forging a "phenomenological ontology" between realism and idealism, but many see his rejection of realism as simply a rejection of indirect realism, and interpret Sartre as a direct realist. (not me though, I dont think).

Objects could exist exactly as they are without consciousness (idealism is false), but in the presence of consciousness they become appearances, which appear exactly as they are (there is no reality behind the appearance).

However, in taking on the status of an appearance, they "complete" conscious states: consciousness depends on the world, but the world does not depend on consciousness.

This leaves Sartre with "two absolutely separated regions of being": the in-itself and the for-itself (roughly: things and consciousness). the in-itself is a plenitude or fullness - it just is what it is - and is completly indifferent to consciousness. The for it-itself, on the other hand, is empty and ontologically dependent on the in-itself. The question Sartre now asks is: "what is the meaning of that being which includes within itself two radically separated regions of being?" (B&N xiii)
 
Kant is not massively relevant here either. At least not for the purposes of what I am arguing for.

I was just responding to this:

I will have to start with an incredibly brief overview of Continental Philosophy

The four main figures of Continental Philosophy are Husserl, Heidegger, Sartre and Merleau-Ponty (I wont deal with Merleau-Ponty here though).

You see, when you say the 'main figures', I think Kant would of necessity have to be in there.
 
I guess the term "main figures" does need qualifying slightly. The main figures of a particular line of thought.

The story so far: We've lived through an existential crisis precipitated by a lived experience of radical doubt; emerged as beings in the world; and are now trying to work out how knowledge is possible.
 
Dillinger, giving little summaries of how certain philosophers approached an issue is not proving me wrong.

If you say I am wrong: prove it. Reason against me.

Edit: I'm going to make a list of my conclusions as posted in that thread and bring it here... So you can attack them one by one.
:)


salaam.
 
Dillinger, giving little summaries of how certain philosophers approached an issue is not proving me wrong.

If you say I am wrong: prove it. Reason against me.

salaam.

Sorry, Aldebaraan.

This thread is a work in progress, and its going to take me a little while to finish it. I just wanted to give an overview, first, as a kind of frame of reference.

I am incredibly busy at the moment, and should not really be doing this at all.

Give me some time.

:)
 
Sorry, Aldebaraan.

This thread is a work in progress, and its going to take me a little while to finish it. I just wanted to give an overview, first, as a kind of frame of reference.

I am incredibly busy at the moment, and should not really be doing this at all.

Give me some time.

:)

see edit above. :)
 
I'm going to recollect my little gems ;) (Once I proved in an online discussion that God exists in the abstract, that was fun because nobody could counter my arguments, but it is not as if I save these little mindgames for later use. Maybe I should write it down somewhere ;) )

I'm coming back to this later, I'll see if I can make it today (well...probably tonight).

salaam.
 
Don't worry, consider this thread a long term chess game, or something!

I am trying to write my dissertation, keep on top of essays and reading, and do all the other normal human life stuff at the same time, at the moment.
 
Don't worry, consider this thread a long term chess game, or something!

I am trying to write my dissertation, keep on top of essays and reading, and do all the other normal human life stuff at the same time, at the moment.

Well, consider this game as a distraction, or to keep you awake. What is your thesis about?

salaam.
 
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