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England Players "Tired"

rover07 said:
I thought they looked tired too. Plus the summer heat. I think a winter break would be good. Cut the Premiership to 16 teams.
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Summer heat? It's winter down there. I don't think any game broke the 25C barrier.

I agree that tiredness might a factor, it just doesn't cut it as an excuse. With how many games did Spanish players went into Euro 2008, particularly the Barça midfield? What did England do with their training camp? Defensive positioning? Doesn't seem so, judging to the goal suffered from a goal kick. Offensive plays? Lack of understanding upfront suggests no. Physical recovery? Apparently not. Studying opponents? Maybe. Banging each others' wives? Let me get Terry on the phone to answer that...
 
Joe Reilly said:
Unlike Rooney Torres Gerrard etc no Champion League games for one which everyone knows are notoriously draining.No League Cup run either? Can't remember what the did in the FA cup. Apart from that there is no pressure on him individually - he's happy just to be in the team. With Milito and Ageuro on the bench no wonder he's pulling his tripe out.

Name another PL player who is enjoying a distinguished World Cup? Maybe Robinho who was shit for City but now? Coincidence?
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Yeah, sure, it's the PL. Best league in the world, football at a blistering pace etc. Other leagues are a bit of a laff tbh.
 
Joe Reilly said:
If the south americans were any good they be playing in Europe -so by definition the standards in the league have to be inferior. As for the Bundesliga - ever heard of the winter break you fuckin know nothing?
And what is the winter break for? To avoid player burn out. But what the fuck do the Germans know when renowned fitness/medical experts like yourself describes the notion of fatigue 'bullshit'.

If you have any energy left explain why stress fracture happens in March rather than October and why the Premier League has four time more incidents than any other league?
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Right okay...you been watching the world cup? So all those South Americans are shit right? The Mexicans who play in Mexico? The Uruguarians who play in Argnetina? Forlan must be shit because he did nothing for Man U in the so called "best league in the world":D

And when you;ve finished frothing at the mouth, show me the stats on stress fractures vs Primera Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga etc and i'll take a look. Perhaps some of it is down to poor fitness regimes, poor pitch conditions and/or poor physiotherapy at clubs?

Here's some stats for you oon games played:

Liverpool:
Kuyt - 53
Gerrard - 49
Mascherano - 45
Johnson - 34

Man City
Tevez - 40
DeJong - 42
Barry - 43
 
Joe Reilly said:
Unlike Rooney Torres Gerrard etc no Champion League games for one which everyone knows are notoriously draining.No League Cup run either? Can't remember what the did in the FA cup. Apart from that there is no pressure on him individually - he's happy just to be in the team. With Milito and Ageuro on the bench no wonder he's pulling his tripe out.

Name another PL player who is enjoying a distinguished World Cup? Maybe Robinho who was shit for City but now? Coincidence?
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de Jong has done his bit for The Netherlands. He's very rarely going to be a headline grabber but he's done his role in the Dutch team very well.

Oh look, I just said TEAM, a word seemingly unfamiliar to some of the English players.
 
twistedAM said:
Oh look, I just said TEAM, a word seemingly unfamiliar to some of the English players.
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I swear we were out-thought by the Germans.

Tempting Terry and Upson further forward, lulling them into a false sense of security................ then BAM!!!!

It's not rocket science, and England will remain an easy target as long as it stays disjointed and full of prima-donnas.
 
i'm sure the full stories will come out when the players release their 'painful' autobiographies - JT was a cause for tension enough - with his pre world cup shenanigans - he must have hated not being captain - and seeing gerrard taking the armband must have pissed him off - gerrard being a paragon of virtue and that :D
 
Here's a theory, allegedly:

The captain gets someone very very close to his family (other than his wife) preggers, the ex-captain wants him stripped of the captaincy, a massive rift within the camp sees the northern club lads pitted against the West London ones as each take sides. A gagging order is then imposed until the "powers that be" have sorted out the management situation.

Quite a theory but you never know...
 
chieftain said:
Here's a theory, allegedly:

The captain gets someone very very close to his family (other than his wife) preggers, the ex-captain wants him stripped of the captaincy, a massive rift within the camp sees the northern club lads pitted against the West London ones as each take sides. A gagging order is then imposed until the FA have sorted out the management situation.

Quite a theory but you never know...
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Yup, I heard this yesterday too.
 
same here...probably total BS. More likely scenario - John Terry is a spiteful cunt and Gerrard isn't cut out to be an international captial.
 
g force said:
same here...probably total BS. More likely scenario - John Terry is a spiteful cunt and Gerrard isn't cut out to be an international captial.
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I think JT's attempted putsch made it pretty clear how he regarded the decision to axe him. In retrospect having stripped him of the captaincy he should never have been taken to the tournament.
 
Our players looked physically and mentally shagged, they looked nothing like the team that dominated the qualifiers. Maybe the preparation wasn't right. Maybe there were issues between the players. There is no getting away from the fact that we don't help ourselves by playing too many games, having no winter break etc.
Hopefully this tournament can be used as the basis for fixing some of these issues rather than talking about them every two years.
 
flutterbye said:
Our players looked physically and mentally shagged, they looked nothing like the team that dominated the qualifiers. Maybe the preparation wasn't right. Maybe there were issues between the players. There is no getting away from the fact that we don't help ourselves by playing too many games, having no winter break etc.
Hopefully this tournament can be used as the basis for fixing some of these issues rather than talking about them every two years.
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I suppose this is the issue. Say what you like about the quality of performances in the qualifiers, but they absolutely battered a bunch of sides who were at least the quality of the teams we met in the group stages. Coincidentally, they also beat Germany in a friendly, and looked much the better team.

I don't think it's physical though. No English player played a competitive game from the 15th May until 12th June, which is much longer than any winter break would be. Like many people have said plenty of premiership players have given a good account of themselves after long seasons.

It's mentality for me.
 
chieftain said:
Here's a theory, allegedly:

The captain gets someone very very close to his family (other than his wife) preggers, the ex-captain wants him stripped of the captaincy, a massive rift within the camp sees the northern club lads pitted against the West London ones as each take sides. A gagging order is then imposed until the "powers that be" have sorted out the management situation.

Quite a theory but you never know...
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heard it too

spicy!
 
What was the deal with that 'she wasn't 16' bit on that jpg? If Gerrards been baninging underage chicks the OB would've been fucking knocking down his door a long time before he fucked off to SA.
 
kyser_soze said:
What was the deal with that 'she wasn't 16' bit on that jpg? If Gerrards been baninging underage chicks the OB would've been fucking knocking down his door a long time before he fucked off to SA.
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it's called doing a graham rix, iirc
 
rover07 said:
I thought they looked tired too. Plus the summer heat. I think a winter break would be good. Cut the Premiership to 16 teams.
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Or cut down on lucrative tours to all corners of the globe and meaningless friendly summer tournaments?
 
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