ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Fucking idiots though.
Orca kills keeper in Seaworld, Florida - cover up in progress
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Johnny Canuck3
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You can forego the faux outrage.
The question goes to the essence of what is 'natural'.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
He starts off by claiming/implying that this is the first attack by an orca in the 60 years they've been in captivity. This is the third death associated with this orca and there's loads of attack videos on youtube ffs!
He just wants his face on the telly. He clearly isn't an expert.
E2A: Fuck's sake. He gives the date of the first captive orca as the 1960s and then states "this is the first attack in 60-70 years". Total self-publicist.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
It's hard to know what an Orca understands.
This true story about an Orca called Luna was on TV here recently ... (may only be accessible in the UK or via a suitable internet proxy)
This true story about an Orca called Luna was on TV here recently ... (may only be accessible in the UK or via a suitable internet proxy)
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
yep, I was thinking the same thing (about there being other attacks).
Hence the quotes around "Expert"
Even when people say how intelligent they are, as Jonti said, it's very hard to know how or what they think, we don't speak the same language... Like in the documentary above, about Luna, when the presenter says they were like two kids in a playground who didn't understand each other but played nonetheless (beautiful that was)
Jonti
what the dormouse said
fractionMan
Custom Title
Or any kind of animal in a cage. Gerbils? Parrots? Snakes?
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
BBC reports on the mistake that killed Dawn Brancheau, and the show goes on ... Training, huh?
The slapping tail? That's used (with other Orcas) to gather the herring into a bundle.
The beaching onto side of pool? That's used to snatch walrus/seals off the beach.
The 'tricks' above are all part of the hunting strategy.
Thora
Differently Ethical
Bit of a difference between a reptile and a large, intelligent mammal though isn't there? Or a rodent, bred as a pet.
I'd think caged birds are wrong too though, and would never keep a wild bird caged as a pet.
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Let's look at how the Orcas are acquired, how well they do in captivity, and find out more about the Sea World breeding programme, shall we?
http://www.inkokomo.com/dolphin/orca.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_orcas
Look at Tilly's dorsal fin.
The environment cannnot be good for these captured Orcas.
Surely marine biologists can study these creatures in the wild?
http://www.inkokomo.com/dolphin/orca.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_orcas
Look at Tilly's dorsal fin.
The environment cannnot be good for these captured Orcas.
Surely marine biologists can study these creatures in the wild?
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
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fractionMan
Custom Title
You've got a point tbh, but to say the woman (who probably loved the animals fwiw) deserved it is a bit much imo.
Thora
Differently Ethical
Really? If she loved the animals why would she want to work for a company that abused and exploited them.
fractionMan
Custom Title
probably because she didn't see it as abuse or exploitation.
Not that I can really guess what she thought.
Not that I can really guess what she thought.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
I watched this programme last year that showed Orca's who'd learnt to kill great white sharks by knocking them onto their back, which puts them into a trance, then holding them there until they drowned from the lack of water flowing over their fins.
This orca knew exactly what it was doing. It deliberately killed this trainer, no real question about that IMO. It's very sad for the family and obviously the person killed, but it's an orca who's tolerating the presence of their trainers, and the fact of his ongoing incarceration.
3 kills would seem to indicate it's not happy with it's situation, and should really be let go back into the wild to live out the rest of his days as nature intended.
I'm pretty sure that even after all this time there's a fair chance that he'd find some living relatives, and as a 2 year old when captured he'll have had 2 years worth of migrations to have learnt, so if they put him in the right place at the right time (ie. same time and location he was caught) I reckon there's a very good chance he'd be ok.
*I love my wildlife documentaries
free spirit
more tea vicar?
having said that, it might not be such a great idea to release and Orca back into the wild who's figured out about killing us as they do seem to teach each other their tricks, so some whale watcher might start getting a bit more up close and personal than they'd intended
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Jonti
what the dormouse said
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Actually that made me feel sad....some of those darwin awards are funny, but a lot are just plain nasty.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
It is a bit sad that she lost her life. But she must have known the risks. If you enter a pen of marine or land wildlife, they ain't going to behave like domesticated animals all the time. Her job had that danger inherent to it. It's not the orca's fault, and it's not her fault either.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
I didn't like the tone either.Actually that made me feel sad....some of those darwin awards are funny, but a lot are just plain nasty.
So go on then, which is your favourite?
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Probably the one where the bloke strapped the jet engine to his car, although that may not be real.
Thora
Differently Ethical
I can't see how that could be the case though - it's dorsal fin was all bent over, surely she could see it wasn't a happy animal that loved playing with her? Probably arrogance more than stupidity I guess.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
I think that Tilly the Orca will die soon.
It's so very sad, but he's being kept because they use his sperm to create more captive whales, very few of whom survive because their mothers were stolen from the wild so young that they had no opportunity to learn from their group how to be mothers to their calves.
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