Former MI5 Agent Says 9/11 An Inside Job

bigfish · Jun 27, 2005

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm

Former MI5 agent David Shayler, who previously blew the whistle on the British government paying Al Qaeda $200,000 to carry out political assassinations, has gone on the record with his conviction that 9/11 was an inside job meant to bring about a permanent state of emergency in America and pave the way for the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq and ultimately Iran and Syria.
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Shayler was forthright in his assertion that the attack was planned and executed within the jurisdiction of the military-industrial complex.

"They let it happen, they made it happen to create a trigger to be able to allow the invasion of Afghanistan, the invasion of Iraq and of course what they're trying to do now is the same thing with the invasion of Iran and Syria."

Shayler ended by questioning the highly suspicious nature of the collapse of the twin towers and Building 7, the first buildings in history, all in the same day, to collapse from so-called fire damage alone.

"I've seen the results of terroristic explosions and so on and no terrorist explosion has ever brought down a building. When the IRA put something like a thousands tonnes of home-made explosives in front of the Baltic Exchange building in Bishopsgate and let off the bomb, all the glass came out, the building shook a bit but there was no question about the building falling down and it doesn't obey the laws of physics for buildings to fall down in the way the World Trade Center came down. So you have the comparison of the two, Building 7 compared with the north and south towers coming down and those two things are exactly the same, they were demolished."

David Shayler joins a spate of recent credible whistleblowers who share the same sentiments about the real story behind 9/11. Former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds publicly questioned the unexplained collapse of WTC Building 7 earlier this month. In addition, a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts, shared his concerns last week when he said the Bush Administration were making the same mistakes as the Nazis when they invaded Russia in the dead of Winter. Roberts seriously doubts the official explanation behind 9/11.

Yossarian · Jun 27, 2005

Your source also claims that fomer Israeli prime minister Benjamin Nethanyu plotted the 9/11 attacks.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2004/061004planned911.htm

Loki · Jun 27, 2005

Shayler left MI5 about 5 years before 9/11 so it's most unlikely he's got any inside information. And he's a well known attention seeker. I can't say I'm that interested in what has to say.

bigfish · Jun 27, 2005

Yossarian said:
Your source also claims that fomer Israeli prime minister Benjamin Nethanyu plotted the 9/11 attacks.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2004/061004planned911.htm

Actually, the source for the story you have linked to is an Egyptian called Hassan Al-Bana. The source for this story I have linked to is a former MI5 officer called David Shayler.

Here's an audio link so that you can hear him speaking for himself:

http://911blogger.powermediahost.com/audio/alexjones_200605shayler.mp3

Yossarian · Jun 27, 2005

I've seen the results of terroristic explosions and so on and no terrorist explosion has ever brought down a building. When the IRA put something like a thousands tonnes of home-made explosives in front of the Baltic Exchange building in Bishopsgate and let off the bomb, all the glass came out, the building shook a bit but there was no question about the building falling down and it doesn't obey the laws of physics for buildings to fall down in the way the World Trade Center came down.

It took me ten seconds of googling to find out that the Bishopsgate bomb weighed between two and four tonnes, rather than a thousand tonnes.

If Mr Shayler had been able to spend ten seconds doing the same in-depth research and adjusting his theories accordingly, I might consider taking him seriously.

Loki · Jun 27, 2005

The same site also spouts nonsense about "remote control Boeings" and "pod missiles" on the planes.

Have another go bigfish.

Yossarian · Jun 27, 2005

bigfish said:
Actually, the source for the story you have linked to is an Egyptian called Hassan Al-Bana. The source for this story I have linked to is a former MI5 officer called David Shayler.

Here's an audio link so that you can hear him speaking for himself:

http://911blogger.powermediahost.com/audio/alexjones_200605shayler.mp3

I got the Hassan Al-Bana thing from the same site www.prisonplanet.com you got the Shayler stuff from. And I haven't got speakers on this computer to listen to Shayler's chat but if you can find a transcript I'll read it.

Loki · Jun 27, 2005

ooh and it also believes in chemtrails!

Credibility: 0.

bigfish · Jun 27, 2005

Loki said:
Shayler left MI5 about 5 years before 9/11 so it's most unlikely he's got any inside information. And he's a well known attention seeker. I can't say I'm that interested in what has to say.

But despite your disinterest, here you are again tapping away on your keyboard telling us all just how disinterested you are. No doubt just to underline your disinterest you will soon post up a series of bandwidth munching images of you and your friends wearing tin foil hats.

blueAsbestos · Jun 27, 2005

I'm sure he's right. Mind you, I defy anyone to think of a building that you could fly a passenger jet into at full throttle (or even 1/3 throttle) that would stay upright.... david shaylor, interesting person. Why wasn't he weeded out?

Loki · Jun 27, 2005

bigfish said:
But despite your disinterest, here you are again tapping away on your keyboard telling us all just how disinterested you are. No doubt just to underline your disinterest you will soon post up a series of bandwidth munching images of you and your friends wearing tin foil hats.

I promise not to post up any images of fetching tin foil hat wearers on this thread.

But you must realise that posting up an article from a site that believes in chemtrails, remote control Boeings and pod missiles somewhat undermines the credibility of the source.

bigfish · Jun 27, 2005

Yossarian said:
I got the Hassan Al-Bana thing from the same site www.prisonplanet.com you got the Shayler stuff from. And I haven't got speakers on this computer to listen to Shayler's chat but if you can find a transcript I'll read it.

But prisonplanet is only the medium for the story and not the source of the information, as you rather disingenuously assert in your first post. Don't you know the difference?

Yossarian · Jun 27, 2005

bigfish said:
But despite your disinterest, here you are again tapping away on your keyboard telling us all just how disinterested you are. No doubt just to underline your disinterest you will soon post up a series of bandwidth munching images of you and your friends wearing tin foil hats.

You started this thread, why aren't you answering the questions raised about Shayler's credibility?

bigfish · Jun 27, 2005

Loki said:
ooh and it also believes in chemtrails!

Credibility: 0.

Where does Shayler mention chemtrails then?

bigfish · Jun 27, 2005

Yossarian said:
You started this thread, why aren't you answering the questions raised about Shayler's credibility?

What "questions"? Where are these "questions"? Have they been asked yet? If not, then how can I possibly answer them? Any idea?

Loki · Jun 27, 2005

bigfish said:
Where does Shayler mention chemtrails then?

The site does, they've certainly got enough articles about them. Try typing chem trails in the search box and see how many articles you get.

How are we supposed to take such a website seriously.

Yossarian · Jun 27, 2005

bigfish said:
But prisonplanet is only the medium for the story and not the source of the information, as you rather disingenuously assert in your first post. Don't you know the difference?

There's something like 20 billion web pages out there so to judge how seriously I'm going to take a story of course I'm going to look at where it comes from.

Yossarian · Jun 27, 2005

bigfish said:
What "questions"? Where are these "questions"? Have they been asked yet? If not, then how can I possibly answer them? Any idea?

OK, here's some questions.

1) If David Shayler thinks the two-tonne bomb at Bishopsgate was in fact a thousand-tonne bomb, is there any reason why I should accept him as an informed and accurate source on buildings falling down>

2) If Shayler's story is being carried on www.prisonplanet.com. home to a host of insane (and contradictory) conspiracy theories, isn't that a very good reason to discount it?

3) Do you actually believe any of this stuff you're posting up or are you just on a big wind-up?

bigfish · Jun 27, 2005

Loki said:
I promise not to post up any images of fetching tin foil hat wearers on this thread.

Its about time you began moderating your disruptive behaviour.

But you must realise that posting up an article from a site that believes in chemtrails, remote control Boeings and pod missiles somewhat undermines the credibility of the source.

The difference between me and you is that I haven't been trained like one of Pavlov's dogs to munch that particular bone. Tell me, if prisonplanet posted up Darwin's theory of evolution, would that undermine its credibility in your view?

Yossarian · Jun 27, 2005

If Darwin had been unwise enough to first publish his theories somewhere as dodgy as prisonplanet.com, creationism would still be taught in schools today.

Loki · Jun 27, 2005

bigfish said:
Its about time you began moderating your disruptive behaviour.

I already promised not to do the tin foil hat thing (although you have to admit they can be rather fetching).

bigfish said:
The difference between me and you is that I haven't been trained like one of Pavlov's dogs to munch that particular bone. Tell me, if prisonplanet posted up Darwin's theory of evolution, would that undermine its credibility in your view?

I'm sorry but any website going on about chemtrails, remote control Boeings and pod missiles deserves all the derision it's gonna get.

bigfish · Jun 27, 2005

Loki said:
The site does, they've certainly got enough articles about them. Try typing chem trails in the search box and see how many articles you get...

I'm not interested in searching for or talking about chemtrails Loki, I'm only interested in taking about what Shayler has to say regarding 911 and events leading to it. As a former MI5 officer with a background in terrorism prevention, one might expect he has some interesting insights on the subject, no?

Yossarian · Jun 27, 2005

Yes, but he got the size of the Bishopsgate bomb wrong by 998 tonnes of explosive - so I'm asking again why the fuck should he be taken seriously on this subject.

bigfish · Jun 27, 2005

Yossarian said:
There's something like 20 billion web pages out there so to judge how seriously I'm going to take a story of course I'm going to look at where it comes from.

But prisonplanet is only the medium for the story and not the source of the information, as you rather disingenuously assert in your first post. Don't you know the difference?

Loki · Jun 27, 2005

bigfish said:
I'm not interested in searching for or talking about chemtrails Loki, I'm only interested in taking about what Shayler has to say regarding 911 and events leading to it. As a former MI5 officer with a background in terrorism prevention, one might expect he has some interesting insights on the subject, no?

Shayler has zero credibility in my eye, and he left MI5 years before 9/11. I still remember how he was laughed off HIGNFY. And you lifted this article from a bonkers site that believes in chemtrails, remote control Boeings and pod missiles.

Can't you see how that affects the credibility of the source?

bigfish · Jun 27, 2005

Yossarian said:
Yes, but he got the size of the Bishopsgate bomb wrong by 998 tonnes of explosive - so I'm asking again why the fuck should he be taken seriously on this subject.

Listen wise guy, the British government are taking Shayler seriously, that's why it has taken out a high court gagging order to try and shut him up. That's why it tried to have him extradited from France when he was blowing the whistle on MI6's links to Al-Qaeda. And that's why they put him on trial (if you can call it that) and had him thrown in prison when he came back. Now why would they go to all that trouble if Shayler is not "credible"? Any idea?

Yossarian · Jun 27, 2005

I had to scroll back up to make sure that you were in fact asking the exact same question a second time and that my computer hadn't been refusing to refresh - this discussion is clearly going nowhere and I will continue to believe that David Shayler's an idiot.

Loki · Jun 27, 2005

Paul Merton switching off Shayler's screen in HIGNFY (Shayler was playing from Paris) is one of my favourite moments in the show.

bigfish · Jun 27, 2005

Yossarian said:
Yes, but he got the size of the Bishopsgate bomb wrong by 998 tonnes of explosive - so I'm asking again why the fuck should he be taken seriously on this subject.

Wow! the guy misspoke and said "something like a thousand tonnes" when quite obviously he meant to say something like a thousand pounds", as a thousand tonnes of explosives would require a fleet of articulated trucks to carry it. Surely you could have worked that out for yourself couldn't you? No?

Yossarian · Jun 27, 2005

it doesn't obey the laws of physics for buildings to fall down in the way the World Trade Center came down

Now that we've cleared up his first sentence as being a simple case of him misspeaking, maybe you could explain his second sentence about the laws of physics.

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