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Is post-anarchism a good idea?

bristol_citizen

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Advertised today on Indymedia:
Lecture: Postanarchism and the future of Radical Politics
It says, "Dr Saul Newman (Researcher at the University of Western Australia) will be presenting a paper "Postanarchism and the future of radical politics"".
And that, "He is one of the central theorists of 'postanarchism', which combines poststructuralist theory with anarchist critique. His work has been at the centre of critical debate in the anarchist milieu..."
Should I be booking a ticket to Manchester to hear this?
 
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some bloke selling something, up in the (post-)industrial north.

no need to thank me ;)
 
TeeJay said:
Well here's an article he wrote in 2003:

The Politics of Postanarchism

Why not read it and see what you think?

what's never explain (in both text) is why it's post-anarchism & not just anarchism? If history is a linear funtion then maybe the point would hold some currency, but even that is never determined. It treats anarchism like it treats marxism - as an ideology, & thus fails, miserably, it what it seeks to achieve - an expression beyond that.

Futile gesture of exultation of academia.
 
Here's an interview with the guy from this year: http://www.livejournal.com/community/siyahi/

...and here's a quick quote, just to give everyone a flavour...

Do you see any parallel motives in postanarchism and post-Seattle anti-globalization movements?

Yes, certainly. Postanarchism is a political logic that seeks to combine the egalitarian and emancipative aspects of classical anarchism, with an acknowledgement that radical political struggles today are contingent, pluralistic, open to different identities and perspectives, and are over different issues - not just economic ones. The broadly termed ‘anti-globalisation’ movement, despite its uncertain future, is one of the most important developments in radical politics in recent years. It transcends the logic of new social movements - it is not simply another identity demanding recognition and autonomy. Rather it re-invents a universal politics in the way that it challenges capitalism as the general background to domination and exploitation. But the same time, it is not like the old Marxist working class struggles over economic issues. There’s no vanguard party leading the way. It doesn’t privilege any class or identity over another; nor does it see any particular issue as being central and overriding the others. Rather it combines a multiplicity of different issues and concerns - environmental concerns, labour rights, the rights of refugees, consumers, indigenous people, etc. Here I think it may be seen as an example of Laclau’s logic of hegemonic politics: it takes place against the universal background of global capitalism and state domination, but rather than this struggle being incarnated in a central identity - as in the proletariat, for Marx - it incorporates plural identities which mutate and form unexpected alliances with others during the course of the struggle. So it involves what might be seen as a contamination of the universal and the particular: there is a universal ‘enemy’ - global capitalism - but this is a kind of ‘empty universality’ that has different implications for different groups. The difference between this movement and Marxism is that, while Marxism created an imaginary universality on the basis of one particularity - the anti-globalisation movement creates a real universality on the basis of multiple particularities, particularities whose identities are themselves contingently constructed through the struggle itself, rather than being pre-determined.
 
montevideo said:
what's never explain (in both text) is why it's post-anarchism & not just anarchism?
Sounds like you have only read the first of four pages. It goes into all sorts of detail about why. :rolleyes:
 
TeeJay said:
Sounds like you have only read the first of four pages. It goes into all sorts of detail about why. :rolleyes:

your link, there were only 4 pages.

Still doesn't explain why post-anarchism isn't just anarchism?
 
They're wrong, because class is still the central category, unless capitalsm dissapeared overnight and I hadn't noticed. Sexual and racial oppression are not fundamental to the way the world is run... that's simply the way it is.

Plus I hate the word problematic.
 
888 said:
...Sexual and racial oppression are not fundamental to the way the world is run...
To some people it is completely central to the way *their* world is run.

Anti-authoritarianism comes in many flavours and anti-capitalism/globalisation encompasses a whole range of things.
 
I've actually just been reading a contribution made by Newman to the book I Am Not A Man, I am Dynamite! And whilst what he has to say is very interesting, it has very little to do with anarchism and far more to do with academic niche marketing.
 
TeeJay said:
Well here's an article he wrote in 2003:

The Politics of Postanarchism

Why not read it and see what you think?

In other words, postanarchism is an anti-authoritarianism which resists the totalizing potential of a closed discourse or identity. This does not mean, of course, that post-anarchism has no ethical content or limits. Indeed, its politico-ethical content may even be provided by the traditional emancipative principles of freedom and equality—principles whose unconditional and irreducible nature was affirmed by the classical anarchists. However, the point is that these principles are no longer grounded in a closed identity but become “empty signifiers” that are open to a number of different articulations decided contingently in the course of struggle.

Tend to agree with Montevideo. What's post-anarchist about this? Seems like anarchism with some post-structural jargon thrown in for the international academic lecture circuit.
 
Like the guy I used to share an office with. Who was also very keen on melding post-structuralism with anarchism.
 
888 said:
They're wrong, because class is still the central category, unless capitalsm dissapeared overnight and I hadn't noticed. Sexual and racial oppression are not fundamental to the way the world is run... that's simply the way it is.

Plus I hate the word problematic.
Partially disagree with the first point (as usual) but your second point is a very salient one :)
 
butchersapron said:
'Making work' quite often...mark your own specialisation...and you're set for life...

Errr... or perhaps not. How many full-time, "tenured" (as the yanks say) anarchist academics do you know of? David Graeber has just been sacked, in effect, from Yale for being... errr... a gobby anarchist who stood up for the rights of some students and fronted various anti-cap issues during his sabbatical. Ostracised and then his contract wasn't renewed, and from what I read online, it seemed like he was one of the foremost anarchist academics working today.

I think you could name the working anarchist academics on the fingers of one hand and still have some left to post here. Not quite "set for life" imo. Not unless you are referring to the whole "social movements" crowd, which is not where Saul Newman is coming from.

@Monte & others, I don't think anything of what is being written as "post-anarchism" is trying to suggest that it is distinct from anarchism. I mean if we can conceive of individualist anarchism, communist anarchism, eco-anarchism, primmie anarchism, indigenous anarchism etc etc etc, why can't there be a space for a body of thought which seeks to mark itself in terms of the way it engages with the heritage of anarchism. In no way does the "post" of post-anarchism mean (to me) that anarchism is something to be left behind, something that has been superceded, iykwim.
 
888 said:
But we don't all live in seperate worlds, which is what post-modernists seem to think.

An example of this might help your case.

And I don't think Newman puts himself forward as a postmodernist, so lazy categorization doesn't help either.
 
No, you've missed my point which was about how academics (not anarchists) often mark out their own specialisations, often inventing them (making work) and jealously guarding them from other competing specialists

Well there's Saul Newman himself, Alan Antliff, Daniel Colson, Andrew Koch, Johathon Purkis, Franco Riccio, Salvo Vacarro, Dave Morland and the two Ehrlichs for starters.
 
Well the point I was picking up on was the "set for life" notion, which in the context of the largely hostile reaction here to Saul Newman's work seemed to suggest that it was just a matter of carving out a nice career for yourself, and sitting back and raking it in. Which, imo, is pretty far from the truth of the matter for anarchists who work in academia. Your list would give us an average of lets say one academic for each subject area right across the globe. Considering that my department alone has about a dozen people working on Chaucer and Shakespeare, postanarchism is hardly the gravy train of the new millenium, is it?

On the other hand, your point raises an interesting question as to whether these people (Newman, Todd May etc) are approaching any debate from the position of an anarchist who happens to work in academia, or as an academic who has found an interesting research niche. I know a couple of people on your list fall into the first category, but I don't know where Newman etc stand. In my experience, rather than "jealously guarding" their areas from other academics, at least in the UK, there has been a great amount of sharing and cooperation between anarchist academics, arising out of the bookfair meeting a couple of years ago.
 
But i'm not on about 'anarchist academics' - i'm on about academics! You're not really going to tell me that academics aren't often fiercely competetive and seek to mark out their own specialisations, fields that they become 'the expert' on and are then invited to conferences, to write papers books, programs and articles on/around?
 
Well, the post from you that I quoted came immediately after two posts which said "Sounds like a typical anarchist academic" and "Like the guy I used to share an office with. Who was also very keen on melding post-structuralism with anarchism". So you'll understand that I took your post in context of the ongoing discussion about 'anarchist academics', cos that is what I thought you were referring to.

I am not trying to tell you anything about academics per se, and I certainly have no interest in defending them/it as a profession as it stands, but the way you characterise academia is something that some anarchists working within it would seek to challenge.

Sort of like the way any worker would like to have some influence over the conditions of their work, y'know ;)
 
Yep, i shoud have been clearer then. And i don't think anarchist academics would be totally free of those temptations or pressures either - in fact from what i can tell, there's an incredible 'speed-up' on in academia at the minute pretty much across the board. (I wouldn't place that very high on my list of priorities though).
 
Fair enough, although I'm not sure I've seen much sign of "temptations" in our dept! ;) Mind you they are offering us lunch next week, duff cheese sambos and a glass of cheap plonk to bribe us to spend the afternoon listening to the head of dept, and so that he can tick the box marked "postgrad feedback received" on his quality assessment form :rolleyes:

Anyway, personally speaking I think Newman has some interesting ideas, but they're just that, ideas, not blueprints, and I'd love to be able to hear him speak.
 
I have to say that i was enjoying his chapter in the book i mentioned above (despite disagreeing quite fundementally with his understanding and characterisation of anarchism) until it reached the concluding paragrpahs and he trotted out the old we must engage with power rather than opposing it spiel, not to mention 'it's ourselves we must change, nothing else' one...
 
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