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Palestinian group threatens to attack Jewish targets abroad

Johnny Canuck3

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"Palestinian militants linked to Chairman Mahmoud Abbas's increasingly fractured Fatah movement threatened on Monday to attack Jews overseas to force Israel to release Palestinian prisoners from its jails.

The call by militants of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades could heighten tension between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, which has been crippled financially by the loss of Western aid, and of tax and customs revenues frozen by Israel, after Hamas's crushing electoral win over Fatah in January."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/706823.html

It won't be good for p.r. if they start attacking jews in other countries now too.
 
Isn't that the Fatah side? I thought that Abba had condemned the bombing :confused: Even though the threat was made just before the bombings, other security groups seem to be taking it seriously.

The terrorists' statement fuelled fears among London's Jewish community.

The London-based Jewish Community Security Trust recently warned there was a "significant risk of attack against the Jewish community and that security precautions should continue at their present high level".

Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist branch said it had noted the terrorists' warning.
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,18851980-5001027,00.html
 
Another Munich type massacre maybe. That would really help the Palestinian cause. Just amazing how the extremists on each side help each other so much.
 
i think this story's probably true, tbh. it wouldnt be the first time terrorist "militant" type people have taken their fight to another country.

it wouldnt be the first time terrorists have tried to attack jewish targets outside israel.

the question is, how much of a threat are they, really? are these a fringe element or a faction within the al-Aqsa martyrs' brigades, or do they represent the wishes of the leadership?

even if thats what they want to do, the threat from terrorism, although its serious, is not as serious as the media make out.

it sounds like a new variation on the "there is a threat from islamic extremism so the police need all these extra powers to deal with it blah blah blah" theme.

except that this time its targetted against a specific group.

when has there been such warnings given against shia mosques, or sunni mosques for that matter?

and is this story being played up for propaganda value, and by who?

the idea of something of this nature happening could be being promoted by the al-aqsa themselves, in order to win back support from hamas among a certain sector of their population.

it could be the israeli government trying to make out that the threat from these people is global, or that other countries are so "unsafe" that there really is no option but to go to israel.

it could be any number of people.

i think this story is real but there are certainly people with a vested interest in making out the threat is more substantial than it is.
 
frogwoman said:
i think this story's probably true, tbh. it wouldnt be the first time terrorist "militant" type people have taken their fight to another country.

it wouldnt be the first time terrorists have tried to attack jewish targets outside israel.

the question is, how much of a threat are they, really? are these a fringe element or a faction within the al-Aqsa martyrs' brigades, or do they represent the wishes of the leadership?

I don't see that as being the main issue.

The main issue to me is the identifying of who they see the enemy to be.

Western pro-palestinian types feel comfortable saying the war is against Israeli aggressors, not against jews.

But if al-aqsa are planning to target jews outside of israel, then it would appear that they perceive jews as the enemy.
 
I agree with you there JC2.

Would it make any sense for them to attack jews who have chosen not to live in Israel?
 
maybe they do. i dont know, dont care tbh

anyone who is "pro" either side is lying to themselves .
 
frogwoman said:
maybe they do. i dont know, dont care tbh

anyone who is "pro" either side is lying to themselves .

Wouldn't it disturb you if these groups were going to begin targetting people in other countries just because they're jewish?
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Do you think it's a false story?

Show me a link where al-aqsa repudiates it.

One wonders what you hope to gain by starting a thread around this article....but I already know what you're hoping to gain: an ego boost at the expense of others.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Wouldn't it disturb you if these groups were going to begin targetting people in other countries just because they're jewish?

yes it would. but thats not what i was saying.

i just dont think that "terrorism" is the bogey man people make it out to be.
 
frogwoman said:
yes it would. but thats not what i was saying.

i just dont think that "terrorism" is the bogey man people make it out to be.

It may or may not be, but that doesn't change the fact that al aqsa are talking about targetting jews outside Israel.

Is it still a bogey man if it's for real?
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
It may or may not be, but that doesn't change the fact that al aqsa are talking about targetting jews outside Israel.

Is it still a bogey man if it's for real?

Im sure its for real, the question is if they actually a) plan an attack without getting caught b) make it successful and c) repeat it d) over and over again.

of the hundreds of terrorist attacks that are planned every year, how many of those fit into all these categories?

outside my synagogue, in terms of safety precautions, we have :

security gates.
a button you have to press to be let in, and if they dont recognise your car and they find you supicious, they will not let you enter the building
security personnel
a huge fuck off fence around the area surrounded by a hedge
peoples houses with hedges and huge walls
security cameras
easy escape routes.

the gates dont open automatically, you have to wait for someone to let you go. the doors are locked up at night and its impossible to throw something in through the window from behind the gate or from the back of the houses behind the synagogue short of actually climbing over someones fence and a huge fuck off hedge.

it is like that for most synagogues in the uk and thats because they have taken the steps to prevent such things. there have been plenty of scares, david copeland and other assorted fash among others, as well as the threat of "global" terrorism (as if this is suddenly ANY MORE of a threat than any of the other terrorism we've had?), and they have taken action to prevent it.

just because they threaten something doesn't mean it will happen. they can threaten all they like but security is so tight round most synagogues that they will stopped before they even get near any actual people.

the high holy days? theres security guys, police there, everything and you need to be an actual member of the shul to get inside the area where it is held.

its largely the same in canada, the US and most countries in the EU.

the countries where such attacks would take place are countries where the jewish community is persecuted anyway and does not have the money or the resources to spend on security and protecting themselves , and where the police are entirely unsympathetic.

in these cases these people have enough to contend with from domestic issues such as poverty and discrimination and police brutality in their own country, never mind a "threat" from "terrorists", real or imaginary that probably will not amount to anything and serves only to encourage tensions between them and another bunch of innocent people that society doesn't like.

and in any case, why would a jihadi supporter of al-aqsa visit those places?

what would be in it for them?

dont forget in terms of being killed by "islamic" terrorists as a whole, the risk is tiny.

there has been one real attack on london and the other one failed completely.

before 9-11 there was only one attack on america, the wtc bombing.

spain has had one attack.

france hasn't had any.

canada hasn't had any.

germany hasn't had any.

the list goes on ... and on and on and on. the majority of terrorism is carried out in poor muslim countries against the targets associated with corrupt governments and their supporters, not in the name of some global jihad.

even if we take into account all the ones that are being planned and foiled, they are still foiled and they come to far less in terms of numbers than you would expect if terrorism was really the danger we're being led to believe it is.
 
Frogwoman: I'm not sure of the purpose of your post.

Are you arguing that the threat is insignificant, or that the jewish community in London has made sufficient preparation to ward off any threat, or both?

It would seem that those in charge of synagogue security consider the threat sufficient to take the precautions you've listed.

I'm unclear how much of a present threat terrorists play to north americans or britons. I suppose that if some terrorist group says something along the lines of 'we will target you', in relation to your particular society, race, etc, then it's up to the individual members of that society etc to decide how serious they consider the threat, and to govern themselves accordingly.
 
I think that the synagogues are already under attack.

If these people are serious about harming large number of Jews living outside of Israel/Palestine, I'd be more worried about large gatherings and conferences. Sporting events, maybe?
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Frogwoman: I'm not sure of the purpose of your post.

Are you arguing that the threat is insignificant, or that the jewish community in London has made sufficient preparation to ward off any threat, or both?

It would seem that those in charge of synagogue security consider the threat sufficient to take the precautions you've listed.

I'm unclear how much of a present threat terrorists play to north americans or britons. I suppose that if some terrorist group says something along the lines of 'we will target you', in relation to your particular society, race, etc, then it's up to the individual members of that society etc to decide how serious they consider the threat, and to govern themselves accordingly.

it is both.

the number of deadly attacks carried out in the west by "islamic" terrorists is tiny.

and synagogue security is perfectly adequate, at least in the UK, to prevent such attacks from occuring.

if anything, it is churches, both protestant and catholic, that don't have tight enough security. you never see any security personnel or other precautions around them in most cases and in some places anyone can just walk in and out.
 
frogwoman said:
it is both.

the number of deadly attacks carried out in the west by "islamic" terrorists is tiny.

and synagogue security is perfectly adequate, at least in the UK, to prevent such attacks from occuring.

And most attacks on our synagogues turn out to be by fascist boneheads rather than by Muslims, most of whom would have fits of horror at the idea of spraying pig's blood on walls and graves, or the like.
 
frogwoman said:
it is both.

the number of deadly attacks carried out in the west by "islamic" terrorists is tiny.

and synagogue security is perfectly adequate, at least in the UK, to prevent such attacks from occuring.

if anything, it is churches, both protestant and catholic, that don't have tight enough security. you never see any security personnel or other precautions around them in most cases and in some places anyone can just walk in and out.

It makes me extremely sad that you can't just walk in an out of a place of worship. I'm sure its necessary given the current climate, but how bizarre.
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
It makes me extremely sad that you can't just walk in an out of a place of worship. I'm sure its necessary given the current climate, but how bizarre.

I agree, it saddens me when I try to get into a catholic church and find the doors locked. I understand that it is because of theft, but it just seems wrong to be locked out of a church.

It seems that nothing is scared any more :(
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
"Palestinian militants linked to Chairman Mahmoud Abbas's increasingly fractured Fatah movement threatened on Monday to attack Jews overseas to force Israel to release Palestinian prisoners from its jails.

The call by militants of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades could heighten tension between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, which has been crippled financially by the loss of Western aid, and of tax and customs revenues frozen by Israel, after Hamas's crushing electoral win over Fatah in January."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/706823.html

It won't be good for p.r. if they start attacking jews in other countries now too.
you might want to sort oout you shite quote there to make it slightly less senationalist weee janny .....

Palestinian militants linked to Chairman Mahmoud Abbas's increasingly fractured Fatah movement threatened on Monday to attack Jews overseas to force Israel to release Palestinian prisoners from its jails.

Islamic Jihad, also said they supported violence to free more than 8,000 prisoners held by Israel, but neither explicitly backed attacks on Jews abroad.

The call by militants of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades could heighten tension between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, which has been crippled financially by the loss of Western aid, and of tax and customs revenues frozen by Israel, after Hamas's crushing electoral win over Fatah in January.

that quote in full
:rolleyes:
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
It makes me extremely sad that you can't just walk in an out of a place of worship. I'm sure its necessary given the current climate, but how bizarre.

innit ... :(
 
It's not just the terrorist thing. My local church has been locked at night for several years because of local youths / vandals. Seriously shitty.
 
slaar said:
It's not just the terrorist thing. My local church has been locked at night for several years because of local youths / vandals. Seriously shitty.

Ours keeps getting the locks smashed so that kids can steal enough for their drugs. (not speculation - we know the kids).

:mad:
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Do you think it's a false story?

Show me a link where al-aqsa repudiates it.
dunno whether it's true or false. ain't got a scooby.
all I know is, the fact it's a ha'aretz one about jihadi terror immediately makes it useful only as lavatory paper.
I suggest you go and get a little more independent background info on ha'aretz.....
 
frogwoman said:
it is both.

the number of deadly attacks carried out in the west by "islamic" terrorists is tiny.

and synagogue security is perfectly adequate, at least in the UK, to prevent such attacks from occuring.

if anything, it is churches, both protestant and catholic, that don't have tight enough security. you never see any security personnel or other precautions around them in most cases and in some places anyone can just walk in and out.

That's because those groups aren't targetted in the way jews are. So there's no security around christian churches, and lots around synagogues. Not fair, is it?
 
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