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Jazzz said:
I think you answer your own question. You must have an independent income to come out freely with this stuff. Otherwise you risk losing your job. That's why retired experts are featuring prominently. And also why they are worth paying attention to - they are speaking freely unmotived by employment pressures.
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Get out of your fucking fantasy world and stop making up these ridiculous excuses.

If the cover up is as obvious as your long retired loon bloke alleges, then it would be blatantly obvious to tens of thousands of accident investigators in the US and around the world.

So they'd all be guilty of wilfully holding back the truth about something that caused the deaths of thousands of their fellow countrymen because they're all too busy selfishly looking out for themselves, yes? Nice one, Jazzz. There's another bunch of people you're calling liars with ZERO evidence as usual.

Oh, and how does this one work for all the independent accident investigators? Who's keeping them all quiet? And how?

But just get this straight: if you knew that your employer was actively involved in a plot that killed thousands of your fellow citizens and humiliated your nation, would you meekly keep schtum for ever just in case you lost your job?
 
Jazzz said:
I mean look at yourself editor - you are holding up the words of a Bush crony as being your best shining evidence that all was fine and dandy with 9/11.
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I've also cautioned our denialists against using Olson to support their case. That case doesn't depend on him--which is just as well, for nothing he says can be believed.

He's something more than just a "Bush crony," btw. His role has largely been to defend the lies of Reagan and Bush's nefarious plots in public. He is the very last person the denialists should be quoting.
 
Did anyone notice what the first link on the aviation experts website nav bar is?

Yes, you guessed it, a '7 Disc Special Pack' for $69.95 + shipping...
 
claphamboy said:
The arguments that everyone else makes are not logical?

Now I know you are taking the fucking piss, nothing you have posted is fucking logical.

How do you sleep at night? I mean, with *them* coming to get you/me/everyone, how do you sleep?

You fucking delusional twat.

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If you think the Bush administration and previous Republican set ups may just do underhanded things in other countries that makes you the same as David icke, apparently!
 
trevhagl said:
If you think the Bush administration and previous Republican set ups may just do underhanded things in other countries that makes you the same as David icke, apparently!
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Not at all what claphamboy said.

I doubt many, or even any, conspiracy-theory-sceptics would disagree with the bit in your post that I've bolded, as a general point.

Accepting that Rumsfeld and Bush and Cheney etc were bad guys foreign policy wise (as I do, and no doubt claphamboy does too?) is not at all the same as taking seriously all these conspiracy theories surrounding '9/11' though.

A large number of which (to say the least) are self evidently made up crackpot fantasies on the far out fringes of rationality and credibility.
 
Yossarian said:
'Conspiraloons come up with elaborate theory explaining why they don't have jobs.'
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What, get meaningful employment and lose the chance to spend months and years on end scouring anti-semitic, nutjob conspiracy sites to try and make themselves feel important? Are you mad?:D
 
Jazzz said:
So how many aviation professionals do you need exactly before you start wondering editor?
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That long retured 'aviation expert' is accusing accident investigators of being complicit in a cover-up involving the murder of thousands - yet hasn't a scrap of proof to back that up. He also believes in invisible pods firing invisible missiles and that one of the flights were invisible switched and all the passengers murdered somewhere. rWithout a single scap of evidence to back any of that up, I think we can safely file his opinions under "Ranting Conspiraloon."

As for that unverified list of 'aviation experts' it's just the usual random list of mainly retired persons, most of which have no skills or experience relevant to the claims being made and some of whom probably don't exist anyway. e.g.

"Richard Chargin
Total Flight Time: 110 hours
SJSU, Atari Games, RJA"
 
phildwyer said:
I've also cautioned our denialists against using Olson to support their case. That case doesn't depend on him--which is just as well, for nothing he says can be believed.
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Who ar these "denialists" please and what credible evidence do you have that Olden lied about his wife's phone call?

So far you've just posted up a salvo of ridiculous slurs and evidence-free accusations that would land you in court if he could be arsed. Oh, and why did you mention his remarriage? Why is that relevant please?
 
Major General Albert Stubblebine maybe retired from the U.S. Army, but he's the founder and director of 'Natural Solutions Foundation' - that campaigns against vaccines and prescription drugs, that have been so successful in extending life expectancy over the last few generations, on the basis that they are Weapons of Mass Destruction! :facepalm:

You can visit the NSF site and make a donation, buy natural supplements, power foods, homeopathic crap or some Valley of the Moon Chemical Free Coffee! :hmm:

The Valley of the Moon Chemical Free Coffee is the World's First Friendly Food Certified Coffee, and who issues this certificate? Step forward Stubblebine's Natural Solutions Foundation. :facepalm:

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/

In fact, he's just the sort of delusional freak that Jazzz would get on well with.
 
editor said:
Who ar these "denialists" please and what credible evidence do you have that Olden lied about his wife's phone call?
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Conspiracy denialists are those who deny conspiracy theories. For example I am myself a denialist with regard to 9/11, for I agree with most aspects of the Bush/Cheney version of events.

I don't think that Olson lied about his wife's phone call. I think he was telling the truth. But it's really not a good idea to set too much store by his claim, for he has made his living lying on behalf of Reagan and Bush--and specifically by lying to cover up their various conspiracies.

The denialist case does not need him, and would be better off without him.
 
phildwyer said:
I don't think that Olson lied about his wife's phone call. I think he was telling the truth.
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Then why embark on a cheap, sensationalist and frankly defamatory campaign of wild claims over his supposed 'direct involvement' in mass murder campaigns and then add tacky suggestive comments about his remarriage? How is that relevant?

Oh, and someone not believing in invisible missiles, holographic planes and CIA insta-Mike Yarwoods is not a "denialist." They're just normal.
 
Jazzz said:
I was wondering how long it would take for that to be mentioned.
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It's valid he's a nutcase.


Nice twist. It's not about 'putting it on display'. Let's have a look at the most recent one, the crash of Air France flight 447 over the Atlantic.

Initially they found some debris. So what did they do?



and the first debris didn't match up. So they kept looking, and eventually got it, spread over a forty-mile area. And amaral says again



And when they did first match up a serial number, it was reported
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Are you so dicklessly insane that you're going to compare the crash search methology of a plane lost at sea to a plane that crashed into the biggest building in the world.

This is really fucking tired shit debunked in 2005.

8,000 people worked on the Pentagon, over the course of the day of the attack and the days after.

These include.



Alexandria VA Fire & Rescue, American Airlines, American Red Cross, Arlington County Emergency Medical Services, Arlington County Fire Department, Arlington County Sheriff's Department, Arlington VA Police Department, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic staff, DeWitt Army Community Hospital staff, District of Columbia Fire & Rescue, DOD Honor Guard, Environmental Protection Agency Hazmat Teams, Fairfax County Fire & Rescue, FBI Evidence Recovery Teams, FBI Hazmat Teams, Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams, FEMA 68-Person Urban Search and Rescue Teams Maryland Task Force 1, New Mexico Task Force 1, Tennessee Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 2, FEMA Emergency Response Team, Fort Myer Fire Department, Four U.S. Army Chaplains, Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit, Military District of Washington Engineers Search & Rescue Team, Montgomery County Fire & Rescue, U.S. National Guard units, National Naval Medical Center CCRF, National Transportation Safety Board, Pentagon Defense Protective Service, Pentagon Helicopter Crash Response Team, Pentagon Medical Staff, Rader Army Health Clinic Staff, SACE Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams, Salvation Army Disaster Services, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach Fairfax County and Montgomery County, Virginia Beach Fire Department, Virginia Department of Emergency Management, Virginia State Police
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All these groups were in on it Jazzz?

This is the work that happened when any human remains were found

The following approach was applied to the recovery of Pentagon Incident fatalities: When a victim was located, work in the area was halted to protect the body, personal belongings, and evidence. An FBI evidence team (one of several on constant standby in front of the collapse) would document the site and gather evidence. If physical extrication was required, a Rescue Squad from the assigned US&R task force was given this task. The next step in the process was a Military Mortuary Team who collected and removed the victim from the building.

All the debris removed from the building was spread out by the heavy equipment, and (on the signal of the IST US&R Specialist) the equipment would stop and Canine Search Teams from the US&R Task Forces would deploy across the material in search of any scent indicating human remains. Then US&R Search Team members would conduct a physical search for remains, crawling and walking over all the debris. Finally, after being searched three or more times, the debris would be loaded into trucks with skip loaders, where it would be taken to one of the Pentagon parking lots to be further combed for human remains and evidence by the FBI, ATF, Military units, and the Arlington Police Department. (p. 8)
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A Case study on Urban search and rescue

All these people are in on it too Jazzz?
 
As a little experiment I've just joined that aviation professionals site, let's see how rigorous they are at checking peoples credentials :cool:

After all, I'm sure they won't want their list to get bigger just to make it look more important, would they? :facepalm: :D
 
phildwyer said:
Conspiracy denialists are those who deny conspiracy theories. For example I am myself a denialist with regard to 9/11, for I agree with most aspects of the Bush/Cheney version of events.

I don't think that Olson lied about his wife's phone call. I think he was telling the truth. But it's really not a good idea to set too much store by his claim,
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Phil you fucking Numpity, Does the syphilitic addled diseased organ on your shoulders even remember how, or why Oslon came up.

You accused me of lying about Jazzz disrespecting the people who made and received the calls on 911. I cited Oslon as one example of this disrespect.

Whats hilarious is, you've forgotten all about this, and have gone on to suggest Oslon is a mass murdered.

So congratulations, you've made my point, and then some.

for he has made his living lying on behalf of Reagan and Bush--and specifically by lying to cover up their various conspiracies.
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So he's gone from "being directly involved in plots to murder millions" to acting like a lawyer.

[to the tune of the classic Batman theme]

Liar Liar Liar DWYER! DWYER! LIAR DWYER!
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
As a little experiment I've just joined that aviation professionals site, let's see how rigorous they are at checking peoples credentials :cool:

After all, I'm sure they won't want their list to get bigger just to make it look more important, would they? :facepalm: :D
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You can check the various lies they claim

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/pentagonattackpage2

Pilotsfortruth became infamous years ago, they claim U77 was remote controlled and hit the pentagon.

Which is at odds with Jazzz's claim that it was a different plane not U77.
 
8den said:
[to the tune of the classic Batman theme]

Liar Liar Liar DWYER! DWYER! LIAR DWYER!
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So this is the level to which (many of) our denialists have now sunk.

A cause espoused in such a manner discredits itself.

No further comment seems necessary.
 
phildwyer said:
So this is the level to which (many of) our denialists have now sunk.
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How many exactly? Could you name them please because I'm getting fed up with your constant vague and unsubstantiated slurs against posters here.

Oh, and talking of slurs: why did you think it was relevant to bring up Olsen's remarriage?

And on a general note: will posters please tone down the swearing. Thanks.
 
editor said:
How many exactly?
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Three or four. The denialists are definitely the sweariest bunch on here. I don't see the need to name them: anyone can identify them by reading back through the thread. 8den is the prime culprit, clearly enough.

I'm not saying their constant intemperance and obscenity necessarily proves them wrong, but it certainly doesn't make their case look good. I do appreciate the fact that you've just warned them--let's see if they pay attention.

I thought Olson's re-marriage was interesting, that's why I mentioned it.
 
phildwyer said:
I'm not saying their constant intemperance and obscenity necessarily proves them wrong, but it certainly doesn't make their case look good. I do appreciate the fact that you've just warned them--let's see if they pay attention.
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Tbh, I don't think your evasive behaviour, contant refusal to acknowledge when you've been caught out and your general wriggleness makes your case look very good either.

phildwyer said:
I thought Olson's re-marriage was interesting, that's why I mentioned it.
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"Interesting" in the context of Jazzz's faked calls claims, how?

I'd say it's fairly obvious what you were inferring and it isn't very pleasant.
 
phildwyer said:
Three or four. The denialists are definitely the sweariest bunch on here. I don't see the need to name them: anyone can identify them by reading back through the thread. 8den is the prime culprit, clearly enough.

I'm not saying their constant intemperance and obscenity necessarily proves them wrong, but it certainly doesn't make their case look good. I do appreciate the fact that you've just warned them--let's see if they pay attention.

I thought Olson's re-marriage was interesting, that's why I mentioned it.
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they (Clap Boy and 8den) remind me of the Barse song "Tourettes"...

http://justmusicstore.com/Lyrics/41..._Em_Cut_Em_Up/Ive_Got_Tourettes/download-mp3/
 
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