Badger Kitten
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Comments have suddenly ground to a halt.
Mail: a truly despicable article ("nothing 'natural' about Stephen Gately's death")
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Kanda
Diving wanker
Comments have suddenly ground to a halt.
Stopped about an hour ago.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
For those without a medical background, a little explanation of the causes of pulmonary oedema.
It is, as was mentioned in the article, fluid in the lungs. There is always a little fluid there, to prevent the internal surfaces from sticking together. When a large amount of fluid is present, it prevents gaseous exchange, i.e. you cannot absorb oxygen and excrete CO2. Without oxygen, you die.
There are a number of causes of fluid build up, the most common being acute irritation caused by the inhalation of an irritant substance like smoke or a chemical vapour. This was not the case here.
The other common cause is coronary insufficiency. The heart is not pumping blood round the body with enough force for the kidneys to be able to extract water. When this happens, the lungs begin to fill with the excess fluid.
In the article, it mentioned a family history of heart problems. I would bet money that this is the cause of death, acute ' slow ' heart failure. Had the failure been catastrophic, no fluid. He had been drinking I gather, but not drunk. The amount of alcohol would probably be enough for him to sllep very deeply, and therefore not wake we he started to cough, which is the first sign of the fluid build up.
It is dreadful that someone so young should die in this manner; it is disgraceful that a reporter with as much medical knowledge as a housebrick prints this dross in what can only be described as a homophobic manner.
R.I.P. Stephen, you gave a lot of pleasure to a lot of people.
It is, as was mentioned in the article, fluid in the lungs. There is always a little fluid there, to prevent the internal surfaces from sticking together. When a large amount of fluid is present, it prevents gaseous exchange, i.e. you cannot absorb oxygen and excrete CO2. Without oxygen, you die.
There are a number of causes of fluid build up, the most common being acute irritation caused by the inhalation of an irritant substance like smoke or a chemical vapour. This was not the case here.
The other common cause is coronary insufficiency. The heart is not pumping blood round the body with enough force for the kidneys to be able to extract water. When this happens, the lungs begin to fill with the excess fluid.
In the article, it mentioned a family history of heart problems. I would bet money that this is the cause of death, acute ' slow ' heart failure. Had the failure been catastrophic, no fluid. He had been drinking I gather, but not drunk. The amount of alcohol would probably be enough for him to sllep very deeply, and therefore not wake we he started to cough, which is the first sign of the fluid build up.
It is dreadful that someone so young should die in this manner; it is disgraceful that a reporter with as much medical knowledge as a housebrick prints this dross in what can only be described as a homophobic manner.
R.I.P. Stephen, you gave a lot of pleasure to a lot of people.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Starcom's phone number is 020 7190 8000...
Jan Moir will get extra brownie points for the click throughs and the comments (including the negative ones). The editor might just decide the article has crossed the line from 'controversial' to 'damaging to the Mail'. Then it might be pulled. But this hardly ever happens. All this attention will probably inflate Moir's pay.
Badger Kitten
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Press advertisers on the Jan Moir double page spread, p36-37 are :
BT - Consistently faster Broadband and National Express
1. BT By telephone
BT headquarters switchboard number - 020 7356 5000
For all general BT enquiries
UK national journalists - 020 7356 5369
For enquiries from the national media
Journalists can get in touch with the BT Newsroom 24 hours a day. Out of hours, for urgent or emergency calls only, a duty officer will arrange a call back from the Newsroom
UK regional journalists - 0800 0850 660
For enquiries from the regional media
2. National Express
Email: customerrelations@nationalexpress.com
SWITCHBOARD 08450 130130 and press 4 for the press office
BT - Consistently faster Broadband and National Express
1. BT By telephone
BT headquarters switchboard number - 020 7356 5000
For all general BT enquiries
UK national journalists - 020 7356 5369
For enquiries from the national media
Journalists can get in touch with the BT Newsroom 24 hours a day. Out of hours, for urgent or emergency calls only, a duty officer will arrange a call back from the Newsroom
UK regional journalists - 0800 0850 660
For enquiries from the regional media
2. National Express
Email: customerrelations@nationalexpress.com
SWITCHBOARD 08450 130130 and press 4 for the press office
QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
Mmm...time to follow her and call her a cunt I think.
Despicable article, truly despicable.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Translation pl?
Anyway, what a vile woman she is.
Thanks, BK, for the info on ads etc. Nice one.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Badger Kitten
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Email Gemma.C.Thomas@BT.com and she will pass on complaints to BT media buying department who will then contact the Mail....
Next up, national express, and I'll post their reponse up too.
Once I have done that I will put up a list of names and contacts to direct requests that the advertisers contact the Mail: if people want to help out here can you go and look up the media/press/corporate complaints numbers for the banner advertisers and get on the phone to them? It will be quicker if we tip off all the advertisers asap.
ta.
And please can someone start the facebook group?
If people want to have a go at an explanation as to why people should join it great because I'm doing phoning advertiser/corp comms right now.
I'll also tip off media monkey at the Guardian and Matthew Norman...
any more suggestions welcome
Next up, national express, and I'll post their reponse up too.
Once I have done that I will put up a list of names and contacts to direct requests that the advertisers contact the Mail: if people want to help out here can you go and look up the media/press/corporate complaints numbers for the banner advertisers and get on the phone to them? It will be quicker if we tip off all the advertisers asap.
ta.
And please can someone start the facebook group?
If people want to have a go at an explanation as to why people should join it great because I'm doing phoning advertiser/corp comms right now.
I'll also tip off media monkey at the Guardian and Matthew Norman...
any more suggestions welcome
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
She's currently the 4th most *popular* subject under discussion on the worldwide Twitter-sphere, and people are not happy with her.
ETA - 3rd place now.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Ah, cheers. Good.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Someone on twitter pointed to this blog which is in response - http://enemiesofreason.blogspot.com/2009/10/why-there-is-nothing-natural-about-life.html - and is also calling on people to respond and express their disgust.
Badger Kitten
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National Express press office grateful for the tip off and going to contact the mail now.
National Express press office can be reached on 08450 130 130, press option 4 or speak to operator
National Express press office can be reached on 08450 130 130, press option 4 or speak to operator
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
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Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
This is all top work Badgkin, much respek to you.
Feels good to think that making your views known can actually bring results.
It's good to kick against the pricks, but that's probably best left for another thread.
5t3IIa
Registered User
g force
Affects Shatner's Basoon
TBH in the Gatley thread there were more than a few people who displayed a similar attitude...if Ken was attempting to pun his way out of hitting the keyboard before enganging his brain, there were 'amusing' gay jokes from Stoatboy.
Seeing as it's the Mail I expect very little else.
Seeing as it's the Mail I expect very little else.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Cheers Badger.. on the case myself with some complaining...
mmm I always thought the first "sign" was a crackling.... in the sense of the noise of breathing...
having witnessed it in a few instances with 2ndary drowning/scuba/divers I've known over the years... and some other perverse interest I've had with the condition over the years eg there was an artist with cystic fibrosis who recorded the last few years of his life for a Channel4 docu long-time ago...he eventually died of p.o
but that aside... I was also trying to understand how p.o would have come on so quickly without the concern of the sufferer....I guess alcohol/whaddeva could be a factor.
So you've answered some of my questions.ta.
still,,,,anyways,,, awful end, concious or not.
I already boycott the companies mentioned for a variety of reasons & the DM as a rule...but believe the OPs intentions to be both honourable & correct.
gluk.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
We expect union bashing and thinly-veiled racism from the Mail. We don't expect unveiled homophobia.
Badger Kitten
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I can't start a FB group so if someone else can...
Facebook blurb: PLEASE CAN SOMEONE SET UP A GROUP, TWITTER THIS, ETC...
The Daily Mail should retract Jan Moir's hateful, homophobic, ignorant article - and apologise to the public and their advertisers.
Today's Daily Mail has a sickening column by Jan Moir, in which she makes unfounded and sickening allegations about the tragic death of Stephen Gately, before going on to bash civil partnerships and gay lifestyles. Jan Moir then has the gall to call herself a 'gay rights champion'.
Here is the prurient, offensive and bigoted article in all its vileness
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1220756/Why-natural-Stephen-Gatelys-death.html
Advertisers BT Broadband and National Express coaches (press edition) and online advertisers Procter and Gamble (Pantene, Fair Non Bio Gel), M&S, Jean-Patrique Knives, ScienceandMaths.net, Clinique, Kodak, Nescafe and Enjoy England should be made aware of the hateful content that their brands have been placed to.
If you want to contact an advertiser whose brand communication has been placed next to this hateful content and alert them contact details are publicly listed as follows. Advertisers do not have advanced knowlege of the content of Mail columns, but they or their media buying departments can contact the Mail and let them know if they are unhappy with how their adverts have been placed and the content they are placed next to.
1. National Express switchboard 08450 130130 (option 4 is press office)
2. BT Broadband newsroom 020 7356 5369
3. Procter and Gamble Press office PGpress.im@pg.com
Procter and Gamble media buying department 0191 297 6400
Nescafe Nestlé UK Press Office:
Tel: 020 8667 6005 in work hours (020 8686 3333 out of hours)
Email: nestleukpressoffice@uk.nestle.com
4. M&S Marks and Spencer Group plc
Waterside House
35 North Wharf Road
London
W2 1NW
Telephone: 020 7935 4422
5. Clinique Customer services http://www.clinique.co.uk/customerservice/cservice_email_us.tmpl
6. Kodak
Julie Taylor-Butt
J.T. ButtMarketing Manager
Tel 01442 846 955
julie.taylor-butt@kodak.com
7. Jean-Patrique Cookware
FREEPOST SEA13494,
Sittingbourne,
ME10 3HB.
United Kingdom
If you would like to call us we are open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Our telephone number is: 0871 784 8458
email is at customerservice@jeanpatrique.co.uk.
8. Science Council (Science and maths.net)
Future Morph can be contacted via email: futuremorph@sciencecouncil.org
Future Morph has been set up by the Science Council, who can be contacted via the Science Council website: www.sciencecouncil.org
or at the following address:
The Science Council
32-36 Loman Street
London
SE1 0EH
9. Enjoy England - part of Visit Britain
VisitBritain
Thames Tower
Blacks Road
London
W6 9EL
Tel: 020 8846 9000
Fax: 020 8563 0302
Facebook blurb: PLEASE CAN SOMEONE SET UP A GROUP, TWITTER THIS, ETC...
The Daily Mail should retract Jan Moir's hateful, homophobic, ignorant article - and apologise to the public and their advertisers.
Today's Daily Mail has a sickening column by Jan Moir, in which she makes unfounded and sickening allegations about the tragic death of Stephen Gately, before going on to bash civil partnerships and gay lifestyles. Jan Moir then has the gall to call herself a 'gay rights champion'.
Here is the prurient, offensive and bigoted article in all its vileness
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1220756/Why-natural-Stephen-Gatelys-death.html
Advertisers BT Broadband and National Express coaches (press edition) and online advertisers Procter and Gamble (Pantene, Fair Non Bio Gel), M&S, Jean-Patrique Knives, ScienceandMaths.net, Clinique, Kodak, Nescafe and Enjoy England should be made aware of the hateful content that their brands have been placed to.
If you want to contact an advertiser whose brand communication has been placed next to this hateful content and alert them contact details are publicly listed as follows. Advertisers do not have advanced knowlege of the content of Mail columns, but they or their media buying departments can contact the Mail and let them know if they are unhappy with how their adverts have been placed and the content they are placed next to.
1. National Express switchboard 08450 130130 (option 4 is press office)
2. BT Broadband newsroom 020 7356 5369
3. Procter and Gamble Press office PGpress.im@pg.com
Procter and Gamble media buying department 0191 297 6400
Nescafe Nestlé UK Press Office:
Tel: 020 8667 6005 in work hours (020 8686 3333 out of hours)
Email: nestleukpressoffice@uk.nestle.com
4. M&S Marks and Spencer Group plc
Waterside House
35 North Wharf Road
London
W2 1NW
Telephone: 020 7935 4422
5. Clinique Customer services http://www.clinique.co.uk/customerservice/cservice_email_us.tmpl
6. Kodak
Julie Taylor-Butt
J.T. ButtMarketing Manager
Tel 01442 846 955
julie.taylor-butt@kodak.com
7. Jean-Patrique Cookware
FREEPOST SEA13494,
Sittingbourne,
ME10 3HB.
United Kingdom
If you would like to call us we are open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Our telephone number is: 0871 784 8458
email is at customerservice@jeanpatrique.co.uk.
8. Science Council (Science and maths.net)
Future Morph can be contacted via email: futuremorph@sciencecouncil.org
Future Morph has been set up by the Science Council, who can be contacted via the Science Council website: www.sciencecouncil.org
or at the following address:
The Science Council
32-36 Loman Street
London
SE1 0EH
9. Enjoy England - part of Visit Britain
VisitBritain
Thames Tower
Blacks Road
London
W6 9EL
Tel: 020 8846 9000
Fax: 020 8563 0302
Ranbay
The same rules apply
Kanda
Diving wanker
Yup. Writes for Observer Food Magazine too...
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Yep.
She wrote this piece of crap also recently:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1052589/JAN-MOIR-Glass-ceiling-Weve-blame.html
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