Weds 1st April: G20 protests - discussion, reaction and chat
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rollinder
Dont walk away in silence
Radio 1 newsbeat either yesterday or Sat had a soundbite from a police person defending 'kettling' (hate that fucking word now I know where it came from - thanks to the member here who posted that) as necessary to deal with crowds pushing/causing a disturbance
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
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hiraethified
The rightwing press has briefly turned against the police, but normal service will soon resume. Read this on the train into Sheffield this morning, well worth the read allso go to link given more on Police Violance here:
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hiraethified
That article manages to misspell 'Murdered' in the title and more or less repeats the unproven allegation that Tomlinson was 'murdered.'
Yep. Very good article....
agreed, very good article. and i've just read the melanie phillips piece Monbiot cites and found myself agreeing with a lot of that too
*goes for a lie down*
winjer
holocene death beat
Strange that he doesn't feel the need to reference this lie:
Interestingly, they also appeared to allow a group of genuine rioters to break into a branch of RBS. This too is a familiar pattern: the police beat up peaceful protesters and stand by when vandals create some easy headlines for the tabloids.
(or pair of lies, one - that the police stood by while it happened, two - that breaking a window is rioting)
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hiraethified
I really don't agree with that at all. The 'naked' RBS building was left oddly unguarded for some considerable time, and if an entire gang of photographers can be all lined up ready for the photo op of the windows being smashed, why weren't the police there?
winjer
holocene death beat
The photographers ended up lined up like that because all the other people moved back away from the smashing glass, the police weren't there because the crowd had forced them to retreat.
This immediate revisionism is as bizarre coming from you as when the police do it.
you seriously think so???
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hiraethified
People said at the time that it was strange that the RBS building hadn't been boarded up and that no police were there to protect it.
I can't be arsed to argue the toss with you or deal with your rather strange 'revisionist' claim, but you'll find ample examples of people saying just this at the time, both on these boards and on countless other sites.
yes. me too. and there was no way the police were prevented from protecting RBS if they wanted to
shaman75
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The police are being attacked because they physically attacked people on a demonstration...
Well, we'd best stop in case any officers get the wrong impression and think they might not get away with breaking the law then eh?
With any luck, all the fun will be gone for the bullies and they'll stop volunteering.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Has the bloke who threw the monitor through the RBS window been arrested yet?
If there's one thing I can't stand, it's liberals wanking on about how peaceful they were at a protest. Maybe if you weren't so fucking "peaceful" all the time, you wouldn't end up being battered by the cops so much.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
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shaman75
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But I distinctly remember not getting battered by the cops at quite a few cannabis demonstrations.
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hiraethified
Were you there socking it to The Man, smashing pigdog heads, dislodging teeth and stamping on the heads of the cops then?
Corax
Luke 5:16
I'm just not so sure that violent protesters armed with sticks are likely to overthrown a militarised state...
Corax
Luke 5:16
I wasn't suggesting that anybody do anything of the kind, I just think that proportionate, organised self-defence in the face of police violence (dearrests, breaking police lines, hitting them back when they hit you) would prevent a lot of injuries and arrests at demonstrations.
And no, I wasn't at the G20 protests, because I thought they'd be a total waste of time, energy and annual leave.
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hiraethified
Do you still think that considering what's happened afterwards?
I'm really glad to have gone and seen events first hand. Oh, and happy to have been "fucking" peaceful too.
It's not exactly complicated, if you hit back, use your greater numbers to your advantage and focus on not letting the cops get hold of individuals for long enough to arrest or seriously hurt them, you can reduce the number of people being arrested or hurt.
Take the 2006 Labour Party conference demo, the police tried to arrest people in the anarchist block, we wouldn't let them, none of us were arrested.
A few headlines that nobody will remember in a few months time? Do me a favour.
It gets boring very quickly, IME.
If somebody attacks you, do you curl up in a ball and wait for them to stop kicking? Or do you fight back?
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