Palm: Pre, webOS & app discussion

editor · Jan 9, 2009

Lazy Llama said:
http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090108/live-from-ces-palm-unveils-nova/

It's a top of the range phone offering unrivalled, class-leading performance, so I didn't really expect them to knock it out cheap.

But price is vital though: too high and they'll blow it, even if it does look like a glorious handset.

They've also got to get it out sharpish because there'll be 'nuff manufacturers already working on pinching their ideas.

g force · Jan 9, 2009

Yep....people will pay a slight premium for a better phone but only to a point. If it's $250 or above (approx 20% premium) they might be okay if it marketed right, if it's nearer $300 it's gonna fail IMO esp as you say I bet Apple will start nicking ideas and the Android team gets more handsets available.

Crispy · Jan 9, 2009

Well, the iphone is down to 100 on a sensible contract (free on the pricey ones) so I'd expect something similar.

g force · Jan 9, 2009

Wonder if it will be offered as a carrier exclusive at launch or across all of them? 02 has the iPhone, T-Mobile has the G1, Vodafone seems to be heavily pushing BlackBerry...

Crispy · Jan 9, 2009

Looks like the future's bright then......

editor · Jan 9, 2009

Crispy said:
Well, the iphone is down to 100 on a sensible contract (free on the pricey ones) so I'd expect something similar.

Yes, but it didn't launch at that price.

Phones always start off more expensive to grab revenue from early adopters, rabid fanboys and the must-have-it-now crowd.*

(*I fear I'm in the latter category for this device).

editor · Jan 9, 2009

Good video interview here:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UjQ4v2QEZUI
Walkthrough:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JRnlzbuLRwM

Kid_Eternity · Jan 9, 2009

Waiting for the price to drop isn't really a bad thing, gives more time for software bugs to be ironed out, decent apps to be created etc...

Xanadu · Jan 9, 2009

Hmmm, response from the touch screen could be better - hope they sort they out before release.

Lazy Llama · Jan 9, 2009

"The pre will indeed be available in H2 [2nd half] within the UK and selected European markets," Paul Ghent, vice president of sales for Palm Europe said. The official response from Palm Europe accompanies news that there is a WCDMA version of the Pre in the works for regions outside the U.S.

http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=6011

So it's going to be at least 6 months before you'll be able to get one in the UK.

It won't record video, but Palm may add that later.
The Palm App Store will only host Palm-approved apps, but they say that's to ensure security and stability.
No idea whether there will be any other way of getting apps onto it, given the no-desktop-sync and no removable media decisions.

editor · Jan 9, 2009

Lazy Llama said:
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=6011

So it's going to be at least 6 months before you'll be able to get one in the UK.

That's a long wait alright - if it is indeed 6 months - but do-able for me for something as good as the Pre.

Of course other phones might catch up in the meantime and I may be tempted, but right now it looks streets ahead of the WM and Android offerings, and even usurps the mighty iPhone (and without the Apple control freakery too!).

Be interesting to see what app developers come up with for the Palm from now on.

paolo · Jan 9, 2009

On pricing, an officially unlocked 8gb iPhone is about 500 quid. If this comes out at 300, it's excellent value, and still not bad at 400.

And obviously there'll be the usual lock in deals to hide the handset cost, so it could easily be 'free' on tarriffs similar to iPhone ones that have £100 upfront.

All in all, I can't see price being an issue, unless the unlocked cost is north of the iPhone.

Lazy Llama · Jan 9, 2009

paolo999 said:
All in all, I can't see price being an issue, unless the unlocked cost is north of the iPhone.

From what Ed Colligan said, I would assume that this is going to cost more than an equivalent iPhone, whether locked, unlocked or dressed in shiny black leather. I would imagine they'll be looking for an Apple/G1-style exclusive tie-up with a UK operator to get lots of cash in early.

Plenty of time to save up though, anywhere between 6 and 11 months would be within the scope of H2'09

paolo · Jan 9, 2009

Lazy Llama said:
From what Ed Colligan said, I would assume that this is going to cost more than an equivalent iPhone, whether locked, unlocked or dressed in shiny black leather. I would imagine they'll be looking for an Apple/G1-style exclusive tie-up with a UK operator to get lots of cash in early.

Plenty of time to save up though, anywhere between 6 and 11 months would be within the scope of H2'09

Interesting - do you happen to have a link for the Ed Colligan thing? (Me being lazy

)

Kid_Eternity · Jan 9, 2009

Lazy Llama said:
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=6011

So it's going to be at least 6 months before you'll be able to get one in the UK.

It won't record video, but Palm may add that later.
The Palm App Store will only host Palm-approved apps, but they say that's to ensure security and stability.
No idea whether there will be any other way of getting apps onto it, given the no-desktop-sync and no removable media decisions.

What's the deal without it not being able to record video?

Lazy Llama said:
From what Ed Colligan said, I would assume that this is going to cost more than an equivalent iPhone, whether locked, unlocked or dressed in shiny black leather. I would imagine they'll be looking for an Apple/G1-style exclusive tie-up with a UK operator to get lots of cash in early.

Plenty of time to save up though, anywhere between 6 and 11 months would be within the scope of H2'09

So...Vodafone after getting their hands burnt on the BB Storm might be a possible exclusive carrier? O2 have iPhone, Orange the Touch HD, T Mobile the G1. If not Vodafone then *shudder* 3? :hmm:

editor · Jan 9, 2009

Lazy Llama said:
Plenty of time to save up though, anywhere between 6 and 11 months would be within the scope of H2'09

Would I be correct in guessing that you're not that impressed with the Palm?

Kid_Eternity · Jan 9, 2009

Very impressive speed at which the Pre switches view depending on which way up it is. Oh yeah how do you pronounce Pre is it like prey/pray, pree/free/ or fly/die?

editor · Jan 9, 2009

Waheeey! We're getting the Pre in the first half of 2009 after all.

Palm CEO says Europe gets Pre in the first half, too

According to the press materials, Palm hadn't intended to announce a timeframe for the 3G GSM version of the Pre this week, but Ed Colligan can pretty much do and say whatever he pleases -- it's one of the perks of wearing the CEO hat -- and he's apparently mentioned in an interview with IDG that it'll roll out in the first half of 2009

http://www.pcworld.com/article/156767/palms_pre_is_coming_to_europe_says_ceo.html

Kid_Eternity · Jan 9, 2009

Yep LL already posted this:

Lazy Llama said:
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=6011

So it's going to be at least 6 months before you'll be able to get one in the UK.

It won't record video, but Palm may add that later.
The Palm App Store will only host Palm-approved apps, but they say that's to ensure security and stability.
No idea whether there will be any other way of getting apps onto it, given the no-desktop-sync and no removable media decisions.

editor · Jan 9, 2009

Kid_Eternity said:
Yep LL already posted this:

He actually said: "Plenty of time to save up though, anywhere between 6 and 11 months would be within the scope of H2'09 ".

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=8578407&postcount=73

My link says it's coming in Q1, not Q2.

Lazy Llama · Jan 9, 2009

editor said:
Would I be correct in guessing that you're not that impressed with the Palm?

I'm very impressed, it looks very nice, as I've posted in the other now-closed thread, but I know that reality doesn't always match expectation/launch demos and I think lots of people are getting a little over-excited.

Anyone would think it was an Apple product

Lazy Llama · Jan 9, 2009

paolo999 said:
Interesting - do you happen to have a link for the Ed Colligan thing? (Me being lazy )

There's a link on this post http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=8578170&postcount=70

editor · Jan 9, 2009

Lazy Llama said:
I'm very impressed, it looks very nice, as I've posted in the other now-closed thread, but I know that reality doesn't always match expectation/launch demos and I think lots of people are getting a little over-excited.

Anyone would think it was an Apple product

Compared to the wild hyperbole around the iPhone launches, this is pretty tame stuff indeed, but for a phone to get this level of interest and excitement after the iPhone has already hit the scene is very impressive indeed - especially from a company most people thought were dead and buried.

(*apart from Sunray before he reminds us

)

Lazy Llama · Jan 9, 2009

editor said:
He actually said: "Plenty of time to save up though, anywhere between 6 and 11 months would be within the scope of H2'09 ".

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=8578407&postcount=73

My link says it's coming in Q1, not Q2.

One quote from the CEO, one from the vice president of sales for Palm Europe.
We can live in hope...

Kid_Eternity · Jan 9, 2009

Lazy Llama said:
I'm very impressed, it looks very nice, as I've posted in the other now-closed thread, but I know that reality doesn't always match expectation/launch demos and I think lots of people are getting a little over-excited.

Anyone would think it was an Apple product

Yep, I'm definitly interested but I'm not going to be spouting any lines about getting this asap, I want to see how it pans out a bit first. This year looks like it's going to be a turning point for the smartphone market.

editor · Jan 9, 2009

A mighty 25 min hands on video of the Pre:
http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/2322-1.htm

There's an impressive attention to design detail going on.

Kid_Eternity · Jan 9, 2009

Watching that now, very interesting.

Something that's just occurred to me is security. With all your contacts/calendars etc all pulled together on the Pre can you imagine losing the phone? It'd be a mine of personal data to exploit all conveniently in one place...

Xanadu · Jan 10, 2009

Kid_Eternity said:
Watching that now, very interesting.

Something that's just occurred to me is security. With all your contacts/calendars etc all pulled together on the Pre can you imagine losing the phone? It'd be a mine of personal data to exploit all conveniently in one place...

Same as any phone really though, right?

Kid_Eternity · Jan 10, 2009

To a degree but this one pulls more info together than any of the others. One of its greatest innovations could present a security risk just as innovative!

GarfieldLeChat · Jan 10, 2009

Xanadu said:
Same as any phone really though, right?

my last phone had a kill switch which was activeated the moment i knew it was gone wiping everything from the phone and SD's all phones should have this as default imo

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