David Davis resigns as MP over civil liberties
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The power of the executive has been growing for the last thirty years at least. Whether it's 'good' or 'bad' thing doesn't really address this.
butchersapron
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Exactly. There is no constitution.
Unwritten mey arse. PM doesn't like what another democratically elected body is doing, they can just scrap it as Thatcher did with the GLC. No written constitution=no constitution.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
See, I agree with all that. And I'm under no illusion that Tories are anything but the class enemy. But it just so happens that on this issue - civil liberty, habeas corpus, the police state - Labour are even more of an enemy.Truly win win for them. Had a 5,000 majority which would anyway now be up to twice that or more given NLs unpopularity. Even though there seems to be a slight majority of the population in faavour of 42 days, the campaign in this by election will go his way. Any hint of danger and Davis will widen it out into a populist critique of fuel prices, nanny state, taxes etc. At the end, any majority (if NL even fight it) of well over 5k will be seen as a sweeping victory/nail in brown's coffin. Shrewd move by an unprincipled politician (who would probably be introducing something like 42 days if he had been in power).
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
hang on what!
he IS an MP, he is resigning as an MP, to run as an MP in a by election?
i am so fucking lost sorry
rioted
redundant
There is no definitive British Constitution. Merely differing interpretations of what it is. If it exists, show it to me.
What is considered "constitutional" is really made up of custom and case law. With a minor bit of statute thrown in for good measure, usually when the custom and case law would go against the government of the day.
rioted
redundant
ALL MPs are the class enemy. Only the terminally naive think otherwise!
Gromit
International Man of Misery
What i hate about this whole thing is that when this guy was elected it cost the tax payers money in polling stations etc. etc.
Now the tax payer will have to fork out that dosh again just so some fucking MP who is certain that he'll get re-elected and can say its cause the voters support his stance on civil libertys and not because it was a safe tory seat.
Personally I don't think politicians should be allowed to run again for the same party for a minimum of 12 months after resigning as an MP.
Now the tax payer will have to fork out that dosh again just so some fucking MP who is certain that he'll get re-elected and can say its cause the voters support his stance on civil libertys and not because it was a safe tory seat.
Personally I don't think politicians should be allowed to run again for the same party for a minimum of 12 months after resigning as an MP.
liampreston
Spend time, not money
This is almost unprecedented - you have to go back to 1986 for the en masse Norn Iron resignations, but as far back the 1910s for something even close to this.
In essence, David Davis is resigning as an MP to fight a by-election on one sole issue. The LibDems. who agree with his stance on the 42 day issue, think it would be silly to stand against him, so aren't standing. Labour, who see this is a stunt, are not going to stand even thought they are for the 42 day issue. It may well turn out to be an unopposed election, and that would really piss n his chips.
In essence, David Davis is resigning as an MP to fight a by-election on one sole issue. The LibDems. who agree with his stance on the 42 day issue, think it would be silly to stand against him, so aren't standing. Labour, who see this is a stunt, are not going to stand even thought they are for the 42 day issue. It may well turn out to be an unopposed election, and that would really piss n his chips.
Oh FFS you still dont understand what a Constitution is do you
Hint - just because it isnt the same as the one in American telly shows it doesnt mean it isnt a constitution.
I know the urabn IQ has fallen in recent years but really...
Eh? how have they fallen for it? they havent responded yet.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
If he thinks he'll win one sole issue he should do it as an independant with tory and labour opposition.
I bet the tory would win not him as many people only vote according to what their father and their father's father voted. I don't know their policies as such but we've always voted xxxx party.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No he's not -that's what he's telling us he's doing - you're under no obligation to believe him. I'd suggest that you're a mug if you do.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Indeed they are.
And I know very well Davis is playing a game here. But do you know what? I don't care. If this gives us a proper public debate on habeas corpus, which I can use, all well and good. If it doesn't, well we didn't have one for the Commons vote anyway, and we lost habeas corpus into the bargain.
We can use this.
That's my feeling too.
Regardless of David Davis's politics and his motives for doing this (and judging from C4 news he's chucked away his shadow cabinet position), at least he's said something. That's more than most of the spineless shower in the Commons have.
It's awful, but as Labour have lurched to the right I've come to have more sympathy with the Tories than I otherwise might. Whatever else is wrong with it, and that's pretty much everything, at least British conservatism has a libertarian streak that is almost entirely absent from the Labour party. Limited and paternalistic it might be, but it's better than Labour's rampant statist authoritarianism.
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
I tend to agree with you! I think there will actually be a debate of meaning around this.
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
Totally agree with that.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The above posts only make sense if DD has resigned for the reasons he's claimed he has. He hasn't. The historical conservative liberatarian streak is one that's not universal and was never intended to be. It only apllies to those who can afford to be liberatarian. DD is not even in this tradtion as his voting record on gay rights, abortion, the death penalty and his law-and-order stance since he became shadow HS shows. The tories are already allover the shop attacking Brow/labour on the grounds i suggested above - nothing to do with 42 days.
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
Is it not possible to be partially influenced by a tradition?
butchersapron
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exosculate
a stagger with a beat
He voted for the 28 day extension to detention without trial
We all know he's a twunt!
butchersapron
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It is, it also possible to arttemopt to falsely situate yourself wihtin one for the wider gain of your party.
28 days eh?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So when was he being genuine - today or when he voted for 28 days? Given that the first vote was the actual key one that set the precedent.
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