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Luther Blissett
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Everyone I know is really horrified by the continuing violence against Palestinians
In Israel itself, there are many people also putting themselves in physical danger with non-violent protests - Israelis, Palestinians and International Volunteers - in Occupied Palestine and Israel itself
Lymor Goldstein - shot in head on joint israeli palestinian demonstration:
Border Police unit firing on demonstrators from close range.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060816&articleId=2982
Two international peace activists shot in head on peace demos: http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2...s-shoots-two-foreigners-in-the-head-at-bilin/
shot in hand http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2006/11/03/bilin-03-11-06/
Shot in eye: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3220888,00.html
Australian and Danish protestors shot: http://www.bilin-village.org/txt_media_en_20060513_age.php
In Israel itself, there are many people also putting themselves in physical danger with non-violent protests - Israelis, Palestinians and International Volunteers - in Occupied Palestine and Israel itself
Lymor Goldstein - shot in head on joint israeli palestinian demonstration:
Border Police unit firing on demonstrators from close range.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060816&articleId=2982
Two international peace activists shot in head on peace demos: http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2...s-shoots-two-foreigners-in-the-head-at-bilin/
shot in hand http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2006/11/03/bilin-03-11-06/
Shot in eye: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3220888,00.html
Australian and Danish protestors shot: http://www.bilin-village.org/txt_media_en_20060513_age.php
Andy the Don
Wise men say only fools..
finalstryke said:
Nope, although I am no expert, they look genuine to me.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
snorbury said:
and......
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
snorbury said:
All wars are sorrow.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
you mean the israelis aren't the good guys? my entire worldview has crumbled...
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
bluestreak said:
Israel has a right to exist which is disputed by some of the pro palestinian groups. However, they aren't unadulterated good guys far from it. A joint moderation of behaviour from both the IDF and the palestinian groups would go a long way to relieving tension.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
People have a right to exist (possibly ... plenty of folk support the death penalty for one crime or another). But no constitutional arrangement or legal entity has a *right* to exist. The very idea is a nonsense.KeyboardJockey said:
What gives laws and constitutional arrangements legitimacy is just how they respect and serve the people whose lives they affect.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
gorefest shock photos faq breaking bollicks with no comment designed by usually right wing trolls to stur up hatred against isrealis to spead juedophobia and is totally utterly banned under the FAQ which you read when siging up here...
there is place for debate on both sides on the fence about these issues but there is no need to post images like this....
period...
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there is place for debate on both sides on the fence about these issues but there is no need to post images like this....
period...
thread reported..
BlackSpecs
The DogFather
at least software_ng has met my challenge to make it to 10 posts before being banned.......
LumpenProle
you rang m'lud..
Miraculously.BlackSpecs said:
KbJ;
It is preposterous to suggest that the demented ambitions of Zionism could exist at the same time as any peace.
No peace-based organisation exists which has the will and credibility to curb Zionist excesses. Hizballah has proven, twice now, that Zionism is halted only by lots and lots of dead Zionists. If you truly want peace in the Middle East- arm the Palestinians.
This fish-in-a-barrel slaughter should not go unanswered. It sets a precedent for fascists everywhere.
It is preposterous to suggest that the demented ambitions of Zionism could exist at the same time as any peace.
No peace-based organisation exists which has the will and credibility to curb Zionist excesses. Hizballah has proven, twice now, that Zionism is halted only by lots and lots of dead Zionists. If you truly want peace in the Middle East- arm the Palestinians.
This fish-in-a-barrel slaughter should not go unanswered. It sets a precedent for fascists everywhere.
denniseagle
ding dong the witch is dead
moono said:
Not cynical, no. Cynicism would be inappropriate as these states you mention are restricted in the quality and quantity of assistance they can provide. Palestine needs statehood, then Palestine could be part of the trade mechanism which floats the armies of most other states.
Do you think that the Zionists and their American sponsors want to see Palestinian statehood ?
THAT's cynicism.
Do you think that the Zionists and their American sponsors want to see Palestinian statehood ?
THAT's cynicism.
rhys gethin
New Member
KeyboardJockey said:
Jonti has answered this already, and very well - but, really, what a monstrously arrogant statement it is - exactly like, 'The Nazi occupation of Europe has the right to exist', or 'The SS has the right to racially cleanse the area Germany has occupied'. It is time we challenged this drivel whenever the racists come out with it. Evil racist colonies DO NOT have any right to do anything. Carthago delenda est!
Interesting work by our undervalued mods. An obnoxiuos iniating post for a thread, the post is heavily edited and yet a thread STILL manages to build on it!!! Absolutely amazing. Only at U75. Oh well, let us take a look at the rest of the posts...
Luther: "Everyone I know is terrified about the continuing violence against the 'Palestinians." Yes, it bothers most Israelis that "Palestinians," after having been habded Gaza, have mucked it up and are committing genocide on one another. Of course this is not what Luther meant but this in fact is the reality of the situation.
Luther speaks of non-violent protestors putting themselves in harm's way...as if protesting against Israel, such a violent entity, actually will put someone in risk of bodily harm in of itself. If this is at all so, then Luther, instead of 3 or 4 cases, why not offer some truly defining figures and statistics. How many passes or issues to foreingers on an annual basis for travel and/or residence in the "Territories?"
The most densely populated area on the planet, a foreinger or two, or thjree that does not know either the locale or the local culture well, to say nothing of the communal dynamic, sadly gets shot in the heat of battle. This is Israel's fault, hands down? No investigation...not autopsy in country, no other independant witnesses [pother than partisan manipulators on both sides]...and it is still bnig,bad Israel?
Videos:
Two palsolidarity ones...ISM is an organisation which condones suicide bombing against Israeli civilians of all ages. The organisation has also shieleded wanted bombers in their 0local offices and then aided and abbetted them.The have also manipulated photos on supposed victims like Rachel Corrie and were called out on the carpet for it with Reuters. Great source Luther!!! Keep up this kind of sourcing and I will not even have to chime in.
Ynet story...Good source finally, too bad you did not dig on the story. Poor Matty, see, he is mentally ill and 17 years old. He chose to approach a contested anf heavily fortified border. He got shot in the eye with a RUBBER bullet, just as one Border Policeman in a previous incident got shot with a slung rock in his eye. Things happen in violent demonstrations, sorry, that is life. Better to stay home I think, or at best have your get together at an approved area that does NOT compromise a nations national borders.
"Gobal Village" tapes...Utter trash. All it shows is one perspective. Where is the wide angel showing what the Border Police were facing? Hmmmm...Guess that one slipped by you Luther.
Bi'ilin Village tape is a repeat, probably the same reporter.
Every child is taught that there 2 sides to every story and shame on this thread for buying into this bogus hogwash. Using PSM material? after what the grooup has said and done? Shame.
Jonti: Hate to break this to you, but of all the nations currently existing in the MidEast, only Israel among them has any kind of historical imperative. Not even Egypt comes close. Of all People's deserving of nationhood, the Jews are certainly NOT an exception.
Garfield: Bravo.
Moono: "Demented ambitions of Zionism." Of course, how demented that the Jewish People would ever want a secular state of their own!
"Israel rejected an offer of militants to immediately stop firing their rockets." Why? Because Israel DID accept it with the prerequisition of them laying down arms FIRST, before Israel vacated its defensive positions. Seems like common sense until you hear it through Moono's mouth by way of al Jazeera English.
Why do you mention Hezbollah when talking about "peaced base organisations?" Do you really think Hezbolla is peace based?
"If you truly want peace in the MidEast, arm the 'Palestinians'." Of course this where your age is most apparent. You are not old enough to remember the soviet tanks they had in Lebanon, or the big guns. Do some research. It never worked then and sure wont now.
Rhys: Your Nazi analogy is not only not making sense, it is obnoxious.
Luther: "Everyone I know is terrified about the continuing violence against the 'Palestinians." Yes, it bothers most Israelis that "Palestinians," after having been habded Gaza, have mucked it up and are committing genocide on one another. Of course this is not what Luther meant but this in fact is the reality of the situation.
Luther speaks of non-violent protestors putting themselves in harm's way...as if protesting against Israel, such a violent entity, actually will put someone in risk of bodily harm in of itself. If this is at all so, then Luther, instead of 3 or 4 cases, why not offer some truly defining figures and statistics. How many passes or issues to foreingers on an annual basis for travel and/or residence in the "Territories?"
The most densely populated area on the planet, a foreinger or two, or thjree that does not know either the locale or the local culture well, to say nothing of the communal dynamic, sadly gets shot in the heat of battle. This is Israel's fault, hands down? No investigation...not autopsy in country, no other independant witnesses [pother than partisan manipulators on both sides]...and it is still bnig,bad Israel?
Videos:
Two palsolidarity ones...ISM is an organisation which condones suicide bombing against Israeli civilians of all ages. The organisation has also shieleded wanted bombers in their 0local offices and then aided and abbetted them.The have also manipulated photos on supposed victims like Rachel Corrie and were called out on the carpet for it with Reuters. Great source Luther!!! Keep up this kind of sourcing and I will not even have to chime in.
Ynet story...Good source finally, too bad you did not dig on the story. Poor Matty, see, he is mentally ill and 17 years old. He chose to approach a contested anf heavily fortified border. He got shot in the eye with a RUBBER bullet, just as one Border Policeman in a previous incident got shot with a slung rock in his eye. Things happen in violent demonstrations, sorry, that is life. Better to stay home I think, or at best have your get together at an approved area that does NOT compromise a nations national borders.
"Gobal Village" tapes...Utter trash. All it shows is one perspective. Where is the wide angel showing what the Border Police were facing? Hmmmm...Guess that one slipped by you Luther.
Bi'ilin Village tape is a repeat, probably the same reporter.
Every child is taught that there 2 sides to every story and shame on this thread for buying into this bogus hogwash. Using PSM material? after what the grooup has said and done? Shame.
Jonti: Hate to break this to you, but of all the nations currently existing in the MidEast, only Israel among them has any kind of historical imperative. Not even Egypt comes close. Of all People's deserving of nationhood, the Jews are certainly NOT an exception.
Garfield: Bravo.
Moono: "Demented ambitions of Zionism." Of course, how demented that the Jewish People would ever want a secular state of their own!
"Israel rejected an offer of militants to immediately stop firing their rockets." Why? Because Israel DID accept it with the prerequisition of them laying down arms FIRST, before Israel vacated its defensive positions. Seems like common sense until you hear it through Moono's mouth by way of al Jazeera English.
Why do you mention Hezbollah when talking about "peaced base organisations?" Do you really think Hezbolla is peace based?
"If you truly want peace in the MidEast, arm the 'Palestinians'." Of course this where your age is most apparent. You are not old enough to remember the soviet tanks they had in Lebanon, or the big guns. Do some research. It never worked then and sure wont now.
Rhys: Your Nazi analogy is not only not making sense, it is obnoxious.
Moono: A site that was already occupied? Um, only the Nablus and Coastal Plains had any kind of population to speak of. Do the math ionsteasd of repeating propaganda. Not to mention that it wass the Jews who had the historical and genetic connection to the land, not Arab squatters.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
rachamim18 said:
That was an allegation that has never been conclusively proven-and there are also allegations of Mossad doctoring photos of Corrie-who to believe eh
But lets not facts get in the way of a debate eh? .
Do you have proof that the posted videos are manipulated or are you just going to totally ignore everything the ISM put out on the grounds of an allegation that hasnt been conclusively proven?
Please tell me you have more than that-or are you just going to continue your normal debate with the same blinkered views...sorry that is a silly question-I already know the answer.
GrandmaDeath: I guess you missed the part about ISM publicly apologising to Reuters, and Reuters apologising to its syndication customers. No Mossad there. ISM ADMITTED IT.
Do I have proof they were doctored?Well, the organisation admitting it aside, as well as the ublisher doing the same, oone must merely look at the photos ....which you obviously have not...to see a full treeline in one and no treeline at all in the next set.
I am not suprised with your piss and vinegar tone, but at least do your homework.
Do I have proof they were doctored?Well, the organisation admitting it aside, as well as the ublisher doing the same, oone must merely look at the photos ....which you obviously have not...to see a full treeline in one and no treeline at all in the next set.
I am not suprised with your piss and vinegar tone, but at least do your homework.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
rachamim18 said:
Do you know-you could be right.
If you are I stand corrected but so much bile comes from your mouth Im going to ask you for proof or a link please.
And before I forget...whilst you are on the 'mud sticks' tip-proof those videos posted earlier are manipulated as well.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
moono said:
I know, rach thinks that we imagined her death. What a pillock!
Tsk tsk tsk....Poor Rachel. First she gets hoodwinked into protesting a brush clean up of some abandoned land, thinking it is some physician's house....then she has people like you lionising her for her wasted life. I especially loved the photo of that American born and bred girl, whose education at Evergreen was mostly paid for by the American Govt., publicly burning her homemade American flag with her face gleefully extolling those poor Arab kids she was manipulating in Rafah to join her in her too late for 70s typecast act of teenaged rebellion.
Now...As for he death. Simply go to that terrible Wikipedia and although Wiki should never be taken as a source, this entry DOES include one of the photos [at least] in question along with full explanations as well as two relevant videos about the event.
I do not believe though that it mentions how the group's Jenin office harbored a wanted PIJ terrorist during an IDF operation until he was found, as IDF pushed their way past simpering foriengers to find him cowering under a desk. This is what ISM is, a group for peace, but peace for one side. Disgusting. Terrorism is acceptable, huh?
[Edited for spelling, etc]
Now...As for he death. Simply go to that terrible Wikipedia and although Wiki should never be taken as a source, this entry DOES include one of the photos [at least] in question along with full explanations as well as two relevant videos about the event.
I do not believe though that it mentions how the group's Jenin office harbored a wanted PIJ terrorist during an IDF operation until he was found, as IDF pushed their way past simpering foriengers to find him cowering under a desk. This is what ISM is, a group for peace, but peace for one side. Disgusting. Terrorism is acceptable, huh?
[Edited for spelling, etc]
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
rachamim18 said:
Are you going to provide me with the link that shows the ISM admitted they had doctored the photo?
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