Has Shayler Lost the Plot?
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Fucking tool...
Jonti
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The BBC's "Heaven and Earth Show" certainly has lost the plot. They just had both Shayler and that USAian theologist David Griffin guy on the show talking about the catastrophic failure of the various WTC structures.
But guess what? Our faith-based brethren saw no need to have any reality-based demolition experts on hand to counter the studied ignorance and misinformation handed out by the religiously deluded.
But guess what? Our faith-based brethren saw no need to have any reality-based demolition experts on hand to counter the studied ignorance and misinformation handed out by the religiously deluded.
er, I think Jazzz is asking a general question about holograms- he's already stated his opinion on what the planes were- drones, not holograms.
I respect shayler, but it does seem an odd opinion for him to form. the NS article is just a hit piece; there's a conspiracy 'set' now is there? what bollocks.
I personally think that shayler is wrong that missiles surrounded by holograms (if that is in fact what he believes, and not just made up by the journalist) crashed into the towers. however, that doesn't automatically make him wrong about everything. or indeed, 'bonkers'.
was Euan Blair poisoned? I don't know, don't know the details... but it would seem to be in line with the general MO of some of the intelligence services... especially given the subsequent farrago with ministers resigning... as a means to force Blair out of government some time before he planned to go...
I respect shayler, but it does seem an odd opinion for him to form. the NS article is just a hit piece; there's a conspiracy 'set' now is there? what bollocks.
I personally think that shayler is wrong that missiles surrounded by holograms (if that is in fact what he believes, and not just made up by the journalist) crashed into the towers. however, that doesn't automatically make him wrong about everything. or indeed, 'bonkers'.
was Euan Blair poisoned? I don't know, don't know the details... but it would seem to be in line with the general MO of some of the intelligence services... especially given the subsequent farrago with ministers resigning... as a means to force Blair out of government some time before he planned to go...
no-one in this thread has made any of the above claims, ed. David Shayler made the first claim, and no-one here has agreed with the opinion. you are creating a straw man argument.editor said:
editor
hiraethified
Err, the thread title is, " Has Shayler Lost the Plot?"snouty warthog said:
Shayler says that holograms hit the WTC.
I'd strongly suggest that anyone who believes that holograms hit the WTC has indeed lost the plot. It is an extraordinarily bizarre suggestion.
And I believe that makes my post absolutely on topic, thanks.
editor
hiraethified
Tell me how these world-fooling, expert deceiving "missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes" work then please.snouty warthog said:
With some recent examples of their use.
Because if they don't actually exist and Shayler believes in things that don't exist....well, I'm sure you can work it out from there.
well, first you get a big owl to sit in the cockpit, and he creates a laser beam with his eyes. then a big lizard refracts this beam with his crown chakra, and creates a force-field that looks just like a plane...editor said:
Ed, I didn't say I believed in the existence of any 'hologram plane'. so therefore I can't explain how it works. shayler's yr man for that. hologram planes may or may not be possible, however, I don't believe any holograms were used on 911. planted explosives, yes. holograms, no.
no-one in this thread has agreed with shayler's theory. some here have, somewhat hysterically in my perception, taken this as evidence of a total lack of sanity, whereas others have calmly said 'oh. I think he's wrong about that'... or 'oh- he's working to an MI5 disinfo brief to discredit those who would question the official story of 911'
Shayler is not asking for anyone to 'trust' him.editor said:
What I am trying to ascertain is what it is particularly about the hologram suggestion (as opposed to other MIHOP strategies) that you feel is impossible and crazy. Or are you just going, blah blah holograms, blah nutjob (wave hands) ?
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
I wonder if jazzz has ever seen what a real hologram looks like, here's a hint: Nothing like startrek.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Are you saying that there is? If so i'm booking the holodeck for a couple of hours with a certain Cylon flight leuitennant...Jazzz said:
Well, I don't know BtL. But unlike editor, I don't go around assuming that the $trillion US military can't have some very fancy stuff up it's sleeve that we don't know about.Bob_the_lost said:
And, having done a little bit of surfing on this, it seems extraordinary what is already in the public domain. Check out www.zebraimaging.com
editor
hiraethified
So we're back to your 'no facts or proof needed' comic book super-technology fantasies again, just like your ridiculous claims about the "instant personality and voice mimic" super-tools 'they' supposedly had.Jazzz said:
But why let a complete absence of any proof of the technology even existing stop you dreaming up another fantastic sci-fi story, eh?
I think you are the one who is a bit surprised to find out that huge, animated hologramics of terrific quality and unlimited size are available for commercial use let alone secret military use.editor said:
And here's something from a US military manual
5.6 Airborne Holographic Projector
Brief Description
The holographic projector displays a three-dimensional visual image in a desired location, removed from the display generator. The projector can be used for psychological operations and strategic perception management. It is also useful for optical deception and cloaking, providing a momentary distraction when engaging an unsophisticated adversary.
Is Shayler really so barking? I don't think so.
The truthers need to answer this. Pre-9/11 GWB was an old school right-wing isolationist. domestically, he still is in some respects with his Steel Tarifs etc.
So why would he want to fly planes into America's biggest & most important buildings and turn into a Trotskyist neo-liberal hell bent on WWIII?
So why would he want to fly planes into America's biggest & most important buildings and turn into a Trotskyist neo-liberal hell bent on WWIII?
see, when you calm down a bit, ed, you'll find we are in agreement...editor said:
I wouldn't exactly say this theory is 'bonkers', but I think he's wrong on this occasion. I don't doubt that the military may have this kind of holograph technology, but I doubt very much it was used on 911.
I don't take what anyone says at face value. everyone's got some kind of agenda, and no-one's in possession of the full facts. anyone who claims to be is instantly suspect. also, I think various people may be working for someone, or have been 'bought'. at least shayler is 'out'... although of course, that could be a double bluff. I doubt it somehow.
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