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what the BNP actually say on immigration ..

durruti02

love and rage!
A lot of people on Urban throw around the idea that anyone who talks about immigration affecting w/c people are somehow BNP .. so let's see what the BNP scumbags actually say in last years manifesto.. (i have not posted a link .. i think we are not suppossed to .. but its not hard to find!)

and suprise suprise .. it is not about how the bosses/capitalists / neoliberals are using immigration to cut wages TU organisation etc etc

IT IS ALL ABOUT BULLSHIT RACIST CULTURAL NATIONALISM ...

you will also notice that in fact the BNP are NOT against ALL immigration ..

they are against " ... further immigration from any of the parts of the world which present the prospect of an almost limitless flow of immigration: Africa, Asia, China, Eastern and South Eastern Europe, the Middle East and South America.."

They do NOT have a problem with WHITE COMMONWEALTH WASP immigration

they are NOT anti cpaitalist .. they are racist ..geddit????????

SWPers get a grip


" ..To ensure that we do not become a minority in our own homeland, and that the native British peoples of our islands retain their culture and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of all bogus asylum seekers, all criminal entrants and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants and their descendants who are legally here are afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. .."

" ...1) Our first step will be to shut the door. A BNP government would accept no further immigration from any of the parts of the world which present the prospect of an almost limitless flow of immigration: Africa, Asia, China, Eastern and South Eastern Europe, the Middle East and South America would all be placed on an immediate ‘stop' list. This would later be subject to review in the case of genuine students accepted for training as part of our long-term policy of helping to build up Third World economies in order to facilitate the voluntary return of their nationals or their descendants under our long-tern resettlement programme...."
 
Actually its exactly what i expected. I did a project on the far right last year and they combine their "race" message with one that is a bastardised form of state socialism (as Mussolini, Gregor Strasser and the Falangists in Spain did).
 
Arafat said:
BNP = Scum

Thread closed

welcome and er .. who are you ??

p.s. WE know they are scum .. some leftists on here ( and red ken as it seems!) seem to think anyone they disagree with is in the BNP
 
durruti02 said:
welcome and er .. who are you ??

p.s. WE know they are scum .. some leftists on here ( and red ken as it seems!) seem to think anyone they disagree with is in the BNP

Pretty much in the way you constantly accuse "some leftists" (i.e. anyone who doesn't agree with you) of being a "liberal" then, eh? :D
 
ViolentPanda said:
Pretty much in the way you constantly accuse "some leftists" (i.e. anyone who doesn't agree with you) of being a "liberal" then, eh? :D

but many are .. they believe in individual rights to movement above and beyond w/c solidarity .. is that not classic liberalism?

that is very differrent to saying that, if someone sees immigration as a key component of neo liberal restructuring that they therefore are like the BNP ( when clearly they are not!) :rolleyes:
 
you argument would have rather more strengthg if you didnt constantly talk about immigration, and doing so (mostly) by quoting people who want greater restrictions upon immigration.
 
belboid said:
you argument would have rather more strengthg if you didnt constantly talk about immigration, and doing so (mostly) by quoting people who want greater restrictions upon immigration.

que ??? rubbish mate ..

i want workers action AGAINST neo liberalism INCLUDINg where it uses immigration including closed shop etc etc how many times mate do i have to say this to you ???

the point of qouting the bnp is to show they are NOT against immigration at all .. they are against immigration of what they might call 'ethnics'

i spend most of the time qouting people like digby jones who wnat MORE immigration not less

and i talk a lot about immigration as it shows so clearly how the left have fucked up, as a growing amount of posters acknowledge

in the real world it is only one of many issues though elevated currently both materially and ideologically
 
christssake! I know you argue for that - but the people you quote approvingly, like toynbee & denham - do.

you dont talk about immigration 'a lot' - its the only thing you talk about.
 
belboid said:
christssake! I know you argue for that - but the people you quote approvingly, like toynbee & denham - do.

you dont talk about immigration 'a lot' - its the only thing you talk about.




what you like to talk about tonight dear :p

i used those articles to show it is not just the right wing who see a problem .. though i thought a lot of PTs idea like enforcing factory regs are right

i agree though it must be tiresome in some ways .. but i know you know why i have done it and i think you know it has been important

ps.s .. i am working on a final ( well i'll try very very hard !) BIG post on immigration you will be glad to hear .. then we can get back to ........ ( fill in topic of your choice)
 
durruti02 said:
but many are .. they believe in individual rights to movement above and beyond w/c solidarity .. is that not classic liberalism?
That's a single characteristic of "classic liberalism", not the be-all and end-all of it by any means.
Sit down some time and actually find out about old-style liberalism properly, that way you'll be able to use the term properly, not just as a poorly thought-out insult.
that is very differrent to saying that, if someone sees immigration as a key component of neo liberal restructuring that they therefore are like the BNP ( when clearly they are not!) :rolleyes:
Wrong.
here, I'll even break my logic down for you:

IF someone sees the curtailment of immigration as a key component of their political philosophy then they ARE like the BNP in the fact that they share a policy even though their aims with that policy may be radically divergent.

I suspect that what you actually meant was it doesn't make you the same as the BNP.
 
ViolentPanda said:
That's a single characteristic of "classic liberalism", not the be-all and end-all of it by any means.
Sit down some time and actually find out about old-style liberalism properly, that way you'll be able to use the term properly, not just as a poorly thought-out insult.

Wrong.
here, I'll even break my logic down for you:

IF someone sees the curtailment of immigration as a key component of their political philosophy then they ARE like the BNP in the fact that they share a policy even though their aims with that policy may be radically divergent.

I suspect that what you actually meant was it doesn't make you the same as the BNP.

but VP you know that i want a CURTAILMENT of neo liberalism and its wage cuts .. .. i am NOT against immigration ... on this i agree with the BNP!

apart from that i do not share ANY similarities with the BNP immigration policy which is actually NOT about immigration but racism .. must go ..
 
durruti02 said:
" ..To ensure that we do not become a minority in our own homeland by kicking the niggers,chinks, wogs and pakis out

" ...1) Our first step will be to shut the door. facilitate the voluntary return of their nationals or their descendants under our long-tern resettlement programme....(kicking the niggers,chinks, wogs and pakis out)"

I did a little edit but it's a little closer to what these bastards would do if they ever got into government here.

Please don't make the misake of assuming the BNP are a bunch of semi harmless nutters ranting on about race.
They are bloody dangerous.
 
durruti02 said:
i spend most of the time qouting people like digby jones who wnat MORE immigration not less

A split in the ruling class over this issue is one to take advantage of is it not and not pander to the racist right?
 
working class people are at the frontline of immigration, but I aint got a problem with asylum seekers moving into my area, the hypocracy comes from middle class people who accuse working class people of being racist and not being into Multiculturalism, oh yeah and how many black or Asian people can afford to live in affluent middle class areas, we live multiculturalism, middle class people theorise about it.
 
Anyone who could spell 'Durutti' would be arguing for open borders rather than maintaining this pathetic nation state patronise the 'white working class' bollocks.
 
durruti02 said:
IT IS ALL ABOUT BULLSHIT RACIST CULTURAL NATIONALISM ...





" ..To ensure that we do not become a minority in our own homeland, and that the native British peoples of our islands retain their culture and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of all bogus asylum seekers, all criminal entrants and illegal immigrants .."

" ...1) Our first step will be to shut the door. A BNP government would accept no further immigration from any of the parts of the world which present the prospect of an almost limitless flow of immigration: Africa, Asia, China, Eastern and South Eastern Europe, the Middle East and South America would all be placed on an immediate ‘stop' list... "

I'm not BNP but theses statements make a lot of sense to me.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
Because he is (was) a racist troll.

jesus Fridge, I'm in the mood for one and everyone that I seem to engage gets banned, are you on full strength expressos or what?

;)
 
IF someone sees the curtailment of immigration as a key component of their political philosophy then they ARE like the BNP in the fact that they share a policy even though their aims with that policy may be radically divergent

Translated as WC people are all rascists zzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
brasicattack said:
IF someone sees the curtailment of immigration as a key component of their political philosophy then they ARE like the BNP in the fact that they share a policy even though their aims with that policy may be radically divergent

Translated as WC people are all rascists zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Only in a petty and patronising mind. We all don't think alike you know. Where on earth do you get such an arrogant and stereotypical view of the 'working class' by following the gourd of SWP or the slipper of the SP?
 
*sticks oar in*

fuck the bnp.

fuck the racists who blame immigrants rather than lack of w/c solidarity for the problems of the w/c.

fuck those that profit from exploitation of the international working classes.

*wanders off*
 
bluestreak said:
*sticks oar in*

fuck the bnp.

fuck the racists who blame immigrants rather than lack of w/c solidarity for the problems of the w/c.

fuck those that profit from exploitation of the international working classes.

*wanders off*

agrees, then wanders off as well.
 
Hawkeye Pearce said:
Actually its exactly what i expected. I did a project on the far right last year and they combine their "race" message with one that is a bastardised form of state socialism (as Mussolini, Gregor Strasser and the Falangists in Spain did).
They're also increasingly combining it with a bastardised form of environmentalism. Which is rather irritating.
 
Bernie Gunther said:
They're also increasingly combining it with a bastardised form of environmentalism. Which is rather irritating.

Aye that it is. I can't help thinking that's related to how speedily euro greens have sold out though. :confused:
 
belboid said:
you argument would have rather more strengthg if you didnt constantly talk about immigration, and doing so (mostly) by quoting people who want greater restrictions upon immigration.

Yes because somehow talking about immigration without saying, oh yes please can I have some more.

Automatically makes you a racist and a BNP supporter?

Great way to spark debate and get peoples input on a subject, make any objection to your particular line of thinking racist.
 
Fong said:
Yes because somehow talking about immigration without saying, oh yes please can I have some more.

Automatically makes you a racist and a BNP supporter?

Great way to spark debate and get peoples input on a subject, make any objection to your particular line of thinking racist.

wage restraints.

that's not rascist is it?
 
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