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Christian population disappearing from Middle East

Interestingly enough, this story cannot be found elsewhere. Christian Man has used a single source for the vindication of his right wing views vis a vis The Levant and Muslims.
 
nino_savatte said:
I am serious and I'm not sidestepping anything. Try reading and comprehending for a change instead of reading the things that you want to see.

My personal ideological beliefs have fuck all to do with this and your insistence that I declare some sort of belief smacks of you wanting to control the discourse. In that respect you are no better than mears who uses the same tactic when things get sticky for him. it's a ploy that betrays the level of your dishonesty.

Deal with it.
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Still the same tactic, sidestepping. Are you claiming to be void of any ethics or beliefs in societal values? Or are you just too 'shy'? Again, let me know when you want have a candid conversation.
 
Christian Man said:
Still the same tactic, sidestepping. Are you claiming to be void of any ethics or beliefs in societal values? Or are you just too 'shy'? Again, let me know when you want have a candid conversation.
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It's hardly "sidestepping". I just don't have to declare anything to you. Is there a requirment to declare some sort of primitivist belief in a supreme being before one engages in debate on this thread? If that is the case, then you have no intention of discussing anything with anybody because you have come here with one thought in mind: to propagandise.

Now, are you going to be honest or will you just continue to deflect and make up spurious accusations?
 
You want to control the terms of debate, Christian Man. It's time to be honest for a change...or would you prefer I called you a liar instead?
 
nino_savatte said:
You want to control the terms of debate, Christian Man. It's time to be honest for a change...or would you prefer I called you a liar instead?
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The difference in the debate is that my ethics and values are largely on the table while you want to be secretive and unopen pretenting to be 'super' human and above ethics and societal values. That is hardly terms for a fair and succesful debate and merely a sidestepping tactic.

If I wanted to control the debate I would not tell anyone about myself, personal values, and be as closed as possible so I could slither from one side of the debate to the other without any flack coming back to me.
 
Ninjaboy said:
:confused: :confused:

surely it's a bad thing that people are leaving the middle east cos they are'nt allowed to practice their religion

i don't have any time for religious wankers of any faith, but i don't see how this has turned into a 'have a pop at christians' thread
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Spot on.

I've never understood why having differing ideas means you can't get on.
 
Christian Man said:
The difference in the debate is that my ethics and values are largely on the table while you want to be secretive and unopen pretenting to be 'super' human and above ethics and societal values. That is hardly terms for a fair and succesful debate and merely a sidestepping tactic.

If I wanted to control the debate I would not tell anyone about myself, personal values, and be as closed as possible so I could slither from one side of the debate to the other without any flack coming back to me.
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Wrong, by insisting that a poster or posters declare their 'beliefs' is a means of controlling the discourse. Why? Because it makes your job to disseminate propaganda - such as this - easier and because you have also eliminated any opposition to your views.

You spectacularly miss the point in your last paragraph. Your ethics, such as they are, are practically in tune with those of the US right wing; it's militarists, it's Xtian fundamentalists and its neo-cons.


Just to let you know, I am not relgious. I presume that excludes me from your non-existent debate?
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Trying to attach labels to me does nothing but stifle debate. Your 'uncandidness' is starting to wear.

Everyone has ethics and societal value beliefs regardless if they are religious or not. For instance, let me ask you a straight question, do you think murder is a good societal value or a bad one or does it depend on the situation? A simple question, I hope you can answer.
 
Christian Man said:
Trying to attach labels to me does nothing but stifle debate. Your 'uncandidness' is starting to wear.

Everyone has ethics and societal value beliefs regardless if they are religious or not. For instance, let me ask you a straight question, do you think murder is a good societal value or a bad one or does it depend on the situation? A simple question, I hope you can answer.
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Yoiu're accusing me of the very same things that you, yourself, are guilty of. You would dearly love to put me into a box marked "leftist" but you won't get the chance. This is intellectual dishonesty writ large on your part.

Please don't try using emotional blackmail and loaded questions as you have done in the last paragraph because that, too, is intellectually dishonest.
 
Christian Man; you have had other threads whose themes are similar: that is to say, they all involve some perceived persecution of Christians. These posts often conform to the perspectives of your right wing press (which is always full of stories of persecuted Christians), whose job it is to marshall the minds of "decent, god fearing Americans" to the 'cause'.
 
I'm done wrangling with your jibber jabber. It's easy to debate if you don't have to give your own opinions and can attack at will without flack but the problem is your too transparent for being such a closed off person. I guess you're the only person in the world that doesn't have an opinion on if murder is a good or bad thing. lol...
 
Christian Man said:
I'm done wrangling with your jibber jabber. It's easy to debate if you don't have to give your own opinions and can attack at will without flack but the problem is your too transparent for being such a closed off person. I guess you're the only person in the world that doesn't have an opinion on if murder is a good or bad thing. lol...
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"Jibber jabber", is that some sort of countryfied US slang? It's bollocks just like your story.

Your line of questioning is too weak to contemplate. All you can do is ask me if murder is a "good or bad thing". :rolleyes: What sort of juvenile shite is that? That sort of thing may work in the terminally immature world of US politics, but it cuts no ice this side of the pond, boyo.

I'll bet you support capital punishment, Christian Man. If you do, then you support state-sanctioned murder. I don't support capital punishment btw...I don't see it as being very Christian.:D
 
Christian Man said:
I do know the Christian composition, does that appease you?

The Palestinian Christians are Palestinians who follow Christianity. They make up 1.6% population of Palestine, according to Bernard Sabella. Prior to the establishment of the state of Israel, approximately 10% of Palestine's population was Christian.
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Why are they leaving though?

It appears to me that you're attempting to imply some form of "religious cleansing" taking place. While I've no doubt that the antics of the ultra-orthodox have played their part, much of the emigration of the (mostly middle class) Christians is for economic reasons. Why stay in a country where it can be more difficult to use your qualifications and make a living?
 
Christian Man said:
Left wing and related idealogy states that various societal values and ethics will 'protect' those followers, in fact name one thing you believe that doesn't have a facet of protection either hidden or blatant about it.

The agenda of my thread is to point out cleansing from the middle east. Nino, your prejudice blinds you as if this were a story about Native Americans or Aboriginals and their culture/religion being displaced and replaced you would not be so antagonistic. Why?
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Cleansing?

Whose prejudice is blinding who here?
 
Christian Man said:
Left wing and related idealogy states that various societal values and ethics will 'protect' those followers, in fact name one thing you believe that doesn't have a facet of protection either hidden or blatant about it.

The agenda of my thread is to point out cleansing from the middle east. Nino, your prejudice blinds you as if this were a story about Native Americans or Aboriginals and their culture/religion being displaced and replaced you would not be so antagonistic. Why?
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Yeheshua/Jesus/Issa was left-wing - a socialist, a revolutionary of his time. I think the State has legislated against these revolutionary figures, so the Rapturists will be waiting a long time for his 'return'.
 
Open Bethlehem is a civil society initiative established to respond to the state of emergency in Bethlehem as the wall is going up turning a city that resonates with millions of people around the world into a 21st century prison.

http://www.openbethlehem.org/
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Did I mention that already ? :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, leave your message on the wall.
 
Ninjaboy said:
:confused: :confused:

surely it's a bad thing that people are leaving the middle east cos they are'nt allowed to practice their religion

i don't have any time for religious wankers of any faith, but i don't see how this has turned into a 'have a pop at christians' thread
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It hasn't.

Christian Man appears to be coming from a "poor oppressed Christians" viewpoint (as usual), but in terms of oppression, Christians in Israel probably receive less oppression from ultra-religious Jews than secular jews do.

It isn't about religious freedom it's about globalisation and economics, people going where the jobs are and looking after their own economic wellbeing.
 
News flash for Christian Man!

Your story appears to be FALSE, auld fellow.

The National Post is sending shockwaves across the country this morning with a report that Iran's Parliament has passed a law requiring mandatory Holocaust style badges to identify Jews and Christians.
But independent reporter Meir Javdanfar, an Israeli Middle East expert who was born and raised in Tehran, says the report is false.

http://www.940news.com/locale.php?news=2512
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Gerrit dahn yer!:D
 
Have you written to your Congressman/Senator and told him/her you want Iran bombed forthwith? Are you going to be signing up for a tour of duty?:D
 
Interesting piece from the Salt Lake Tribune

Iran was an incipient democracy in 1953, but Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh -- chosen by an elected parliament and hugely popular among Iranians -- angered the West by nationalizing his country's oil industry. President Eisenhower sent the CIA to depose him. The coup was successful, but it set the stage for future disaster.
The CIA placed Mohammed Reza Pahlavi back on the Peacock Throne. His repressive rule led, 25 years later, to the Islamic Revolution. That revolution brought to power a clique of bitterly anti-Western mullahs who have spent the decades since working intensely, and sometimes violently, to undermine U.S. interests around the world.
If the Eisenhower administration had refrained from direct intervention against Iran in 1953, this religious regime probably would never have come to power. There would be no nuclear crisis. Iran might instead have become a thriving democracy in the heart of the Muslim Middle East.

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_3844343
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Might be worth mentioning again here that the story about Iran making non-muslims wear special badges turned out to be bullshit from the neo-con propaganda mill known as Benador Associates and published by one of Conrad Black's dodgy newspapers.
 
Bernie Gunther said:
Might be worth mentioning again here that the story about Iran making non-muslims wear special badges turned out to be bullshit from the neo-con propaganda mill known as Benador Associates and published by one of Conrad Black's dodgy newspapers.
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It's on page 1, I believe. I posted the link as soon as I saw CM's OP.;)
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
Spot on.

I've never understood why having differing ideas means you can't get on.
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Because to do so, you must have a certain level of maturity and mutual respect. Sadly, this seems to be lacking over there. :(
 
Christian Man said:
I do know the Christian composition, does that appease you?

The Palestinian Christians are Palestinians who follow Christianity. They make up 1.6% population of Palestine, according to Bernard Sabella. Prior to the establishment of the state of Israel, approximately 10% of Palestine's population was Christian.
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Why do they call themselves the "Palestinian Christians" and not "Christian Palestinians"? Ever wonder that?

It looks as though they put more emphasis on being Christian than being Palestinian.

Over here, we say "Irish-American" and "French-Canadian", not the other way around. Here, the emphasis is on nation. We both have strong nations.

Imo, to build a nation, the emphasis has to be on the nation - not on the individual religious/ethnic groups that make up the nation.
 
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