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I was walking about an' saw Greenpeace have been puttin' on these poster things on 4x4's sayin' stuff like "this gas guzzling 4x4 is polluting....etc" what I was wondering is if what they were doing was against the law? There must be some kind of Law to stop them from there gr8 work or is there not? :confused:
 
Stevil said:
Bloddy liberals Greenpeace. They should just fire bomb the 4x4s and have done with it.
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That's a wee bit extreme, but letting tyres down on Sunday night/Monday AM and gumming up the windscreen wipers would be fun...not that I would ever do, or encourage others to do, such a thing at all.
 
Amazingly, it depends what engine they have.

Not necessarily the most inefficient or polluting cars at all - a big jag is likely to be worse than an diesel offroader. I'm assuming you're talking about offroaders rather than all wheel drive cars? Or is a 1.3 litre Fiat Panda wrong cos all the wheels are powered?
 
october_lost said:
does anybody know how many gallons to the mile you can get out of a 4x4?
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Mine does 47 mpg (that's a combined figure), with a CO2 emmission figure of 143 gm/km. On a long run, if I take it easy, I can get 55 mpg with no problem. With my caravan behind it, it drops to about 40 mpg.
 
It's nothing to do with the number of wheels that are driven ffs.

I just checked the Greenpeace website, to see if they are equally inexact in their use of terminology, and what they refer to is a campaign against gas-guzzlers, which is better, although an americanism.

Delve a bit further in though, and they want to have a go at Ford, as the parent company of Land Rover. Why Land Rover, and not all the other SUV manufacturers? At least LR have got a history of proper utilitarian 4x4 vehicles even if they've gone all posh with Range Rovers and suchlike.

I get about 15mpg btw.
 
Cynic said:
Mine does 47 mpg (that's a combined figure), with a CO2 emmission figure of 143 gm/km. On a long run, if I take it easy, I can get 55 mpg with no problem. With my caravan behind it, it drops to about 40 mpg.
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If you see stevil with his thumb out hitching a lift one night, I would suggest you drive past. :D
 
MC5 said:
If you see stevil with his thumb out hitching a lift one night, I would suggest you drive past. :D
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If (s)he was carrying trade plates, then I may stop - apart from that, I hope there's a bus. :D
 
I'm interested to know what people feel is an acceptable and unacceptable 4 wheel drive vehicle, in the context of environmental impact.

Presumably, little 4 wheel drive cars are OK, like Fiat Pandas and assorted Subarus?

What about Suzuki SJ410s etc? Or Toyota RAV4s? These are smaller, and smaller-engined, than most family cars.

What about big cars? Like Jaguars, BMW 5-series and 7 series with 5 and 6 litre engines? Porsches? Rolls-Ryces and Bentleys that are massively heavy and have engine sizes in excess of 6 litres?

Giles..
 
Donna Ferentes said:
Why am I struggling to believe this?
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I have no idea at all.

Seriously though, do people consider all "jeep" type vehicles "wrong", or just the oversize "monsters" like Range Rovers, Landcruisers, Hummers, etc etc?

Giles..
 
Giles said:
I have no idea at all.

Seriously though, do people consider all "jeep" type vehicles "wrong", or just the oversize "monsters" like Range Rovers, Landcruisers, Hummers, etc etc?

Giles..
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I think it far more "supportable", if emissions or poor fuel economy was targetted - but to simply target 4 wheel drives is a bit daft.
 
Giles said:
I have no idea at all.

Seriously though, do people consider all "jeep" type vehicles "wrong", or just the oversize "monsters" like Range Rovers, Landcruisers, Hummers, etc etc?

Giles..
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Don't be silly - it's class war and a big 4x4 is more easily identifiable as bein vandalised than one of the identikit exec saloons like Jags, Beemers and Mercs innit?
 
expect if you drive a big 4X4 in a city or even brighton and its not covered in mud towing something of full of stuff then your fair game.
or a humvee anywhere
 
I think it is tokenistic yobbery to vandalise or deface a persons car just because it is a 4x4. It really is much more complicated innit.

I wonder if many 4x4 haters are 'small' car drivers with a guilty concience looking to salve thier angst.

A small car driven and maintained badly will pollute an awfull lot more than a carefully driven gas guzzler.

Having said that I do hate big 4x4s but not because they are thirsty, I see them as the vulgar trappings of greed. The people who drive them are often those awfull new rich types who actually believe they really are better than those less lucky or avaricious.
 
Zaskar said:
I think it is tokenistic yobbery to vandalise or deface a persons car just because it is a 4x4. It really is much more complicated innit.
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Let's hope the police deal with eh?
 
Zaskar said:
Having said that I do hate big 4x4s but not because they are thirsty, I see them as the vulgar trappings of greed. The people who drive them are often those awfull new rich types who actually believe they really are better than those less lucky or avaricious.
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Here, here! A refreshing bit of honesty, which I completely sympathise with.
 
kyser_soze said:
That's a wee bit extreme, but letting tyres down on Sunday night/Monday AM and gumming up the windscreen wipers would be fun...not that I would ever do, or encourage others to do, such a thing at all.
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That's being done in France by the way. Apparently it's not actually illegal there, or its very hard to get a sentence in the courts. Here I don't think it would work, the backlash would be too major.. I personally think there should be an automatic higher tax if you have a 4x4, unless you have specific reasons like living in a rural area without proper roads or you have a job where you need one.
 
Well I guess I'm in favour of targetting 4x4s then, since it means no-ones going to complain about the 16mpg I get in my saloon.
 
Zaskar said:
I wonder if many 4x4 haters are 'small' car drivers with a guilty concience looking to salve thier angst.
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It usually turns out to be "small" car drivers are jealous. Either that or that just looking for a PC excuse to be a vandel... Any serious protestors should have better issues to deal with.
 
I've got an ex-army "lightwieght" Land Rover, which weighs less than most modern cars. It also takes up less road room than many saloon cars.

See pic

Is that "acceptable" or not? It's actually only "4x4" if I place it in 4 wheel drive mode. Most of the time it's just rear wheel drive.

Giles..
 
slightly dodgy in the "walt" stakes having it in sand colour paint. :D
SUV's should be targeted for abuse and ridicule most of them are not used off road or would even be much cop off road.
they drink fuel block up the road are unnesscary dangerous to predestrians and are just crap.
frankly if you drive a hummer or a land cruiser and your not off to the 3rd world. you just own a giant penis extension but not in a godd way more in the "I'm a knobhead please ask me how "
I mean having the money to afford a bmw or porsche SUV and actually buying one instead of a proper BMW or porsche your just a pathetic fashion victimn and should have counciling :D
 
I agree with Kasheem, some sort of tax disincentive should apply. I would apply this to all cars and make it quite extreme.

The technology exists today to have a system where the amount your fuel costs depends on the car you drive. I think if your car is less damaging to the environment then your fuel should be cheap, if it is a 'guzzler' then it should cost more. Eco friendly cars would be say 3 quid a gallon and guzzlers 7 quid.

Sure people would try to fiddle the system, but most will smell the coffee.
 
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