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Finding "The Plot to Seize the White House"

Might even be able to make a few dollars off the book?? ... Donna, lend the book out post it to me, I'l copy it and flog the copies on Ebay and ...uuummmm...send the book back to you. :)
 
Thank you for all those constructive comments.

I'm in South East Asia, and do not have such easy access to Copyright libraries bordering the Atlantic Ocean. I have noticed that several public libraries in the United States still have it listed as on their shelves, but note that some internet types say such listings are not always accurate in this specific case. And they are similarly located a long way from me.

It's interesting that people who call themselves conservative are so keen to deny that a group of industrialists in the USA in the 1930s made plans for a fascist party to take over the country. Go out and talk to your conservative friends at work. See if they are so keen to deny the possbility. Why are people here so keen?

Conspiraloon or not, can anyone help me get a copy?

snadge: I would be very grateful if you would carry out your suggestion. It would save me a lot of money.
 
I've not seen anyone dissmiss that claim - just the one about the book dissapearing. As far as i'm concerned the plot is pretty much historical record isn't it?
 
It's always been a recurring theme on the US left hasn't it, the 'five minutes to midnight' idea that a fascist putsch is in the offing?

Thomas Pynchon mentions it towards the end of Vineland, IIRC.
 
You can find some interesting stuff in Maverick Marine: General Smedley D.Butler and the Contradictions of American Military History by Hans Schmidt if you look for it on amazon uk, then use the search inside function to search for the term 'coup' then click on the last link and scroll back a few pages - for example p227-228:

227

228
 
PrinceToad said:
Conspiraloon or not, can anyone help me get a copy?

snadge: I would be very grateful if you would carry out your suggestion. It would save me a lot of money.
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No, it doesn't interest me enough to spend gawd knows how much time to do it.

I have done it before and got into quite a bit of trouble with an American author.
I bought a synthesiser book from the only place that seemed to stock it ( publisher) and was charged 60 quid when I recieved it it was badly photocopied and bound, a lot of people were interested in this book on a list that I'm on, so I scanned it and made it available, cue threatening letters from the authors lawyer, after a dialouge where I explained my reasons for doing it there was a court case for unpaid royalties from the publisher ( they were photocopying and selling them but keeping the originals ) I recieved a personal letter of thanks from the author and a free original book.
 
Generally, if a book is selling for over USD 100 in any condition, it will be reprinted quickly, unless it is under copyright and the publisher does not want it republished for some reason.

I could believe that some of the families mentioned in this particular book might not want the information to be widely-known, and buying up all available copies, plus the copyright, would be very small change to any single individual member of them.

As for the entirely unrelated topic of Nazi-CIA connections etc: I can well believe that some of the Nazis recruited into US intelligence after 1945 might feel less secure now that they have retired, and might wish to buy up all copies of books related to the topic, in case some random person they know reads one, puts two and two together, and identifies them. I gave up trying to find The Paperclip Conspiracy a few years ago.

As for the Bush dynasty or some other neo-con bunch wanting to install a fascist dictatorship: well, I could believe that, but I'm not sure how buying up copies of old history books involving people who are nearly all dead would make a big difference to them. Perhaps one member of some wealthy group or family, who may or may not have a dastardly plan of such a kind, just wants to get rid of all these books for their own personal cranky reason. Again, if you come from a very rich family, it's small change.

Hopefully, when the copyright runs out, most of them will still be available somehow. Think of all the classical literature and philosophy the medieval church tried to destroy. Quite a bit got through in the end.
 
snadge said:
borrow said book from library, scan it, pdf it then bang it on the net, piece of piss really if you're that bothered, or will the feds start burning peoples computers..
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snadge said:
I have done it before and got into quite a bit of trouble .
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Amazing troll alert.
 
So, now, that long troll on conspiraloonacy was great fun and off-topic, perhaps we can continue it in another thread, but I just wanna repeat the question:

PrinceToad said:
Does anyone know how i can get hold of this book?

The plot to seize the White House
by Jules Archer
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If anyone has any more information as to where bits of it are online, that'd be nice too.
 
The The Revolt of the Conservatives book that someone mentioned is about a pressure group set up to oppose the FDR constitutionally. It does not talk about the coup plans, which got as far as training soldiers before it was closed down, apparently.

Any more for any more?
 
The wikipedia article was fine for starters, and I think may have been how I first came to this, but is obviously just the start.

The article on censoship that someone posted earlier is originally from here, I think.
 
PrinceToad said:
The "straight dope" link however is very inaccurate.
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How do you know? Were you involved in the plot?

All reminds me of the 1974 Sterling plot - which friends were involved in uncovering.

On the one hand, a bit alarming that at least a couple of MI5 personnel were conspiring with people who, these days, would be pals of Kilroy-Silk.

On the other, their inability to organise a session of inebriation in a location where beer is brewed was manifest. And that's from reading their correspondence...

And there are in fact 957 results for the search you apparently couldn't work out how to do.
 
Gosh you're a really nice guy aren't you?

Yeah, I've got some excerpts from google, I was just asking people if they knew anything more. I suppose I have to expect mindless pointless abuse from random punters on urban75.

This wikipedia article if probably more informative.
Wiki also has nice links to parts of the original HUAC transcripts.
 
PrinceToad said:
The The Revolt of the Conservatives book that someone mentioned is about a pressure group set up to oppose the FDR constitutionally. It does not talk about the coup plans, which got as far as training soldiers before it was closed down, apparently.

Any more for any more?
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I take it that you've read this book then?
 
I've just realised that there's a gaping hole in the logic of the argument put forward by some on this thread that the CIA or super-rich industrilaists are buying ap all the copies of this book.

Why have they left copies availible for the affordable sum of circa £65?

Surely if they're set on removing all traces of this book and the info it contains they'd have also bought these copies? (I'd also expect them to be buying up all the various other boks that confirm that the coup plot did actually exist - and there seems to be a whole load of them). I'd imagine that they can afford £65 in order to complete their evil plan don't you?

£65 for a book is actually fuck all as anyone who knows anything about the book market will recognise - it might appear ridiculous if you're used to paying £5-20, but it really isn't.
 
PrinceToad said:
Amazing troll alert.
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not quite, the story about my pdf shenanigans is true, and if you are bothered about distributing the information in the book, my method ensures maximum distribution. ;)

but it takes fucking days,

scan, save and turn the fucking page :D
 
butchersapron said:
I've just realised that there's a gaping hole in the logic of the argument put forward by some on this thread that the CIA or super-rich industrilaists are buying ap all the copies of this book.

Why have they left copies availible for the affordable sum of circa £65?
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What's the line about why Political Justice was allowed to be published when The Rights Of Man was banned?
 
PrinceToad said:
The wikipedia article was fine for starters, and I think may have been how I first came to this, but is obviously just the start.

The article on censoship that someone posted earlier is originally from here, I think.
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Right. So old, out of print books are being 'censored' by vitue of the face that they are rare/hard to trace and thus carry a high price tag?

What a load of fucking ridiculous bollocks. Ealing film comedy posters, for example, command higher prices than the books listed in that article and have enjoyed a similar rise in value.

Is there a conspiracy afoot to ban St Trinians material then?
 
Donna Ferentes said:
What's the line about why Political Justice was allowed to be published when The Rights Of Man was banned?
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The price - but that didn;t stop the latter being widely pirated despite laws against that. But i'm afraid that still doesn't sound very convincing does it - 'at what price shall we stop buying up these books and completing our plan - what price will these people determined to uncover world shaking past plots stop at. £65 should do it'.
 
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butchersapron said:
The price - but that didn;t stop the latter being widely pirated despite laws against that. But i'm afriad that still doesn't sound very concvincing does it - 'at what price shall we stop buying up these books and completing our plan - what price will these people determined to uncover world shaking past plots stop at. £65 should do it'.
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Ah yes, I wasn't being entirely serious. In fact I was wondering if anybody could recall the quote!
 
butchersapron said:
I've just realised that there's a gaping hole in the logic of the argument put forward by some on this thread that the CIA or super-rich industrilaists are buying ap all the copies of this book.

Why have they left copies availible for the affordable sum of circa £65?
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Where are these copies for 65 nuggets of gold?

I have had a pretty good search and I cannot find a single copy for any price.

I find me a copy for sale and I will eat humble pie, otherwise your arguement holds no weight.
 
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