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it's shayler, not shaylor.fela fan said:
Shayler - talk in Brixton - Wed. 2nd Nov.
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after fela fan's display of uberpedantry, it had to be pointed out.editor said:Absolutely priceless!
editor said:
My credibility is absolutely sound. Yours is seriously in question. Look after your ownself.
Whoever this hicks man is, he's patently off his head. Or, if we want to be charitable, he's just plain wrong. Is he an expert, peer-reviewed writer? Does he hold evidence that others are so wrong about? Where's his proof? Where's yours? Where's your evidence?
He seems to have as much credibility as your mate vialls.
For fuck's sake Fela, you're using a near 20-year old US grammar book to start pontificating from.
As I said in my last post, 'respectable' US publications and academia generally insists on more fussy and traditional grammar. Although it's changing, UK publications tend to be less archaic in their usage of commas and the suchlike, generally seeking to remove unnecessary punctuation.
Of course, you should know this, being a grammar expert and all. Instead you seem to be more than a little confused - see your last misguided posts about the US trying to make language less 'stuffy,' which may be true in conversation terms, but certainly isn't when it comes to written grammar. Your arrogant bluster doesn't disguise your lack of real knowledge.
As I said in my last post, 'respectable' US publications and academia generally insists on more fussy and traditional grammar. Although it's changing, UK publications tend to be less archaic in their usage of commas and the suchlike, generally seeking to remove unnecessary punctuation.
Of course, you should know this, being a grammar expert and all. Instead you seem to be more than a little confused - see your last misguided posts about the US trying to make language less 'stuffy,' which may be true in conversation terms, but certainly isn't when it comes to written grammar. Your arrogant bluster doesn't disguise your lack of real knowledge.
fela fan said:
Put me on ignore then fella. But you may want to start reading up about grammar before you start pushing your 'expert' credentials. I suspect you can't engage with the points regarding the difference between written American and British grammar because you simply haven't a clue. Go read a modern reference guide from both countries and compare the differences.
Hicks' book is very well regarded by the way, particularly amongst writers and literary professionals. Certainly as well regarded as The Gregg Reference Manual (upto the ninth edition now btw), which is more regarded as an all-round reference tool for American students (general) and businessmen IIRC.
Still, you wouldn't want to become properly informed would you. Better to bluster a load of arrogant tosh and hope no-one pulls you up on your lack of knowledge.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
But you haven't. Ah, who looks stupid now.
Do a proper insult.
Do a proper insult.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So do one.
What's it called when a phrase or sentence has two meanings?
What's it called when a phrase or sentence has two meanings?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
But mate we've been eating the same icecream all along. Who's looking silly now eh?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You're not, never heard of ambiguity, irony (dramatic or otherswise), a pun, or any number of terms for a normal everyday thing...fela fan said:
In your new field aas well... hmmmm.....
laptop said:
Ah look mate, i was caught up in yet another spat with editor, and all i wrote needs to be taken in context. That's how all communication works, as i'm sure you'll know.
I'm sure a and c are both correct, and he is also right in b.
But there is a growing awareness amongst writers - both journalists and academics - that putting a comma before the 'and' in lists is neater. Without one, confusion can sometimes occur, with one, no confusion ever. Keep an eye out for lists and see how many times these days you see a comma before 'and'.
And this is what it all boils down to: is the name of the game communication, or to abide by grammar rules laid down by this or that person? Who owns the language anyway? And don't forget, it's a living beast and changes with the times.
As a writer, and a teacher of writing, i feel it the duty of the writer to use the text to convey as accurately as possible their intended meaning. With the reader being displaced both by time and space, every possible tool at the writer's disposal should be used to convey that meaning.
btw, how many grammar 'rules' were broken by trainspotting? Was the text in that book 'wrong'??
butchersapron said:
Your question to me indicated that you were looking for one particular word that described your double meaning sentence. Not several general ones.
Hey, why not add metaphors to your list.
As for your last sentence i'll ignore the pragmatic meaning you leave dangling in the air. I'm a nice man you see, and don't do insults...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So you meant yes then, not no?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yet you replied to it and understood it earlier? Have you devolved between posts?fela fan said:
butchersapron said:
I never said i didn't understand it. I just thought, in the context that this thread has taken, i'd point out your english language problems, which i clearly put down to the time of night...
I'd reckon you mean another word than 'devolve' too. And the grammar of it is wrong too.
Not that i care about that, i like to see a bending of rules...
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