Definitely worth repeating. I read it again it's grim. 
Robert Fisk in todays Independent.
The truth behind the Israeli propaganda
Robert Fisk in todays Independent.
The truth behind the Israeli propaganda
Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
i just think its unnnecessarly divisive tbh and really puts people off, i was really pissed off when i saw that twat kicking off and it reminded me of othher times demos have been spoiled by twats of that ilk, but you're right i guess, was probably a bit over the top to post that
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
If I heard it I'd respond, God is a cunt and give the wanker a stern look.
the button
out on the kocker
It's a shame more Anglicans aren't involved in this type of protest, tbh -- "God -- if he or she exists -- is on the whole probably fairly nice" is so much less confrontational. 
Jonti
what the dormouse said
The impression I get is that you shill for Likud, and that that loyalty even trumps loyalty to your own country. Maybe Likud pays better?
Makes you a 24 carat hypocrite, whatever.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
I very much doubt Johnny could tell you the difference between Likud and Labour, let alone Likud and Kadim. His knowledge of Israeli politics goes no further than parroting propaganda soundbites he heard on the news.
It's a shame more Anglicans aren't involved in this type of protest, tbh -- "God -- if he or she exists -- is on the whole probably fairly nice" is so much less confrontational.
Quite a few of us do attend, but we normally take part as 'concerned citizens' rather than 'faith groups'.
What kind of reception do you think we would get if we marched under our church banners? It could be seen as very provocative and we are not there to push our own agenda.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
People who shout such things should be asked to save it for their prayer meetings.
"We haven't seen a frame of film from the protesters because the Israelis have stolen the lot."
I thought the very first footage was from the people on the boat?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
That is the IDF released stuff, isn't it?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Unless the activists were uploading it in real time, it's hard to see how they could have released any themselves. I think they were still in custody when that report was broadcast. Unless they managed to hide films/cards somewhere retrievable, there won't be any non-IDF edited footage available.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Perhaps, but the Canadian media were mostly silent about the murder of Major Hess-von Kruedener.
JC2 was not ~ he was keen to blame this Canadian soldier for his own death, even though he was killed in an official UN observation bunker when it was specifically targeted by an Israeli smart-bomb.
This is not just ignorance, it's not just parroting the Canadian media. "Johnny Canuck" runs a wilful and malicious pro-Likud campaign of lies and disinformation that victimises his fellow Canadians.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Why are you so convinced he's pro-Likud? All the mainstream Israeli parties have the same agenda. He just supports the Israeli government regardless.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
or maybe we could have separate demo's? one for muslims, one for non muslims?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I wasn't singling out Muslims. Why are you?
discokermit
Well-Known Member
erm, people shouting 'allahu akbar'? they're generally muslim, aren't they?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Look at the post I was responding to. It was yours. Here's me quoting you, with my response.
rioted
redundant
No it wasn't. More than one organisation was streaming live from the flotilla before communications were stopped. That footage was available before the IDF crap and is still available if you want to look for it.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Communications were stopped before the boarding, weren't they?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
discokermit
Well-Known Member
whatever. quoting my post out of context is meaningless and a bit shit. i'm not going to argue with you about demo slogans on this thread, if you want to start another thread, go ahead.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
There was one chap (white, middle aged) at the Manchester protest on Tuesday who started to spout a bit of anti-semitic abuse. I can't remember what he was saying, exactly, but making sweeping generalisations about Jews and Israelis. But I was standing chatting to another man and woman and the guy was standing near us, and I turned and said to him that he was out of order and not all Jewish people and not all Israelis were like that, not all of them supported what happened.Just come back from the gaza demo, an islamist type twat started kicking off at someone on a hamburger stall and hurling racist and anti-semitic abuse simply because they had an england flag on the stall, calling them racists etcI think there needs to be zero tolerance for that sort of shit, the rest of it was really good though, lots of interesting people there
No one else joined in, no one muttered 'hear hear' or 'you're right mate' or anything, and the two people I was standing near also rebutted him as well and he just muttered a bit and wandered off.
He did seem a bit 'special needs' though, not quite right, and his ranting was a mildly deranged, tbh.
He was totally shut down though. Even though people at the protest were quite angry about the attack on the flotilla and the deaths, and the continuing blockade on Gaza, not one person jumped on that random isolated chap's anti-semitic bandwagon.
It's a shame, though, because all it takes is one person to do something like that and it can help create a false impression that that was what the protest was about, and that there were sympathisers there.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Frogwoman, you're probably not aware of this, but there are some Islamic scholars who say that clapping is forbidden. There's a scale from things that are encouraged, to things that are permitted (halal), to things that are disliked, to things that are prohibited (haram).
Clapping is one of those things that's down to interpretation, some say disliked, some say haram.
That's why a lot of Muslims who are more adherent, more devout, will refrain from clapping. Instead of clapping, many Muslims will shout "Allahu Akhbar" (God is great), because they believe it is haram to clap, and that's the permitted equivalent.
It's absolutely not intended (generally speaking) to be provocative or in yer face.
At the protests, there are generally marches and people chanting and some people clap along to some of the chants, whereas some Muslims would shout Allahu Akhbar instead. Likewise, during and after protest speeches when the majority of the crowd is probably clapping, some Muslims will shout Allahu Akhbar as a substitute for clapping.
Other times, it might be used in a crowd situation in a kind of hip, hip hooray sense, celebratory or in voicing agreement, where you get a speaker shouting it, and the crowd shouts back.
It really isn't antagonistic or provocative behaviour that warrants someone being kicked off a demo and being sent home.
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