ska invita
back on the other side
Sorry if posted already - Turkey looking to trigger a war?
Turkey Promises to Send Supplies to Gaza With Naval Escort
Turkey Promises to Send Supplies to Gaza With Naval Escort
Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.
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Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees ring any bells?
Some people feel strongly for a cause, surely the state has some kind of duty of care to aim to prevent the careless killing of a load of people, who aren't actually threatening their state in any real kind of way? Or does the gun rule all in your world?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
When dealing with the IDF who began the firing before even the courtesy of a 'hands on the fucking ground!' warning then it is entirely justified to go for the makeshift weapons. These people know how the IDF operate. If they come in firing, you had better do something cos surrendering doesn't stop you getting shot.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
They can set the blockade to any distance (for instance, the British blockade of Germany in WW1 was north of Scotland) that they can enforce militarily. However the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea (which the Israelis are stating proves their case) actually states that:
Which would suggest that a ship has to either be carrying contraband or be breaching (ie: in the act of) a blockade. It seems that the convoy did not get within the actual geographical area of the blockade, and contraband has to be both declared (ie: the Israelis would have to say specifically what cannot be transported) and cannot be:
from - http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/57JMSU#6
Of course, there are also questions over the legality of the blockade, the legal jurisdiction (which should still be Turkey) for the events that transpired aboard these ships and the wider implications for international law.
cesare
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I haven't assumed anything. Israel took pre-emptive action in international waters -and I'm now asking how far that extends.
How far into international waters does Israel's right to pre-emptively anticipate and neutralise threats extend?
magneze
🎧
It's dark, someone unknown is on your boat. You defend yourself. Only after a few minutes would it possibly occur to you that they are soldiers. After all, why would it be soldiers? In international waters they would have no jurisdiction ...
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
this basically - except its not science fiction, its science fact.
can't believe i just wrote that....
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
the same could be said about a lot of people on here
I usually assume that's the case.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Does it have the legal right to do that anywhere outside its territorial waters?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
You're not being entirely honest. You stated that you had doubts they acted in self defence. What do you base these doubts on?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Perhaps the fact that you've been shadowed for hours by "4 ships and a helicopter" and repeatedly told that the convoy would not be allowed to break the blockade might give you a clue????
AverageJoe
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For anyone who hasnt seen it here is 10 mins of footage. 3 reporters sharing a microphone. Some of it is in English
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Because they told you they'd come. Also, the helicopters would provide a clue.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Probably not. But outside territorial waters how far into international waters does Israel's right to pre-emptively anticipate and neutralise threats extend?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Do they have a legal right to do this anywhere outside their territorial waters?
But you want to risk it as people are hungry, without medicine and dying and you want to help. And it isn't certain that you'll be attacked should you walk down that street.
ffs.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
If the IDF says not to come and they will stop you, don't you think that there's a good chance they'll attack?
AverageJoe
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This one is quite interesting - an interview with the IHH leaders on the boat 6 hours before it was boarded. They state that if the Israelis try and take the boat they will defend themselves.
Should Rosa Parks have just given up the seat and saved a lot of people a whole load of hassle?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
No, they don't. But they think they do. And if you look on it totally from their perspective - how far into international waters does Israel's right to pre-emptively anticipate and neutralise threats extend?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
I think you're asking the wrong people, ie, us.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
New mind-reading technology enables the viewer to read Mark Regev's mind ....
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
I realize that I'm black, and that Rosa Parks and civil rights was about black people, but what does that have to do with this discussion?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
Actions speaking louder than words perhaps?
The aid ships are the equivilant of Rosa Parks. Taking a big personal risk to right an injustice.
Did black people die during the civil rights movement and if so was it all worth it?
Because by blaming the peace activists for being shot you are blaming the civil rights activists for being lynched.
teqniq
DisMembered
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I'm asking you, and anyone else giving it large supporting Israeli govt ... How far into international waters does Israel's right to pre-emptively anticipate and neutralise threats extend?
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